9TH RECORDED MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

Resources

Jeremy Johnson:

http://www.integralworld.net/preston1.html
https://www.eurozine.com/change-course-human-history/

Chat Sunday May 5. 2019

0 States of Consciousness

1:30 check in Heidi

2:30 Paul

3:25 Tim

4:05 Karen V.

4:45 Ryan

5:10 Kate

5:30 Tech problems with Devon, some silent time

6:40 Ryan introduces the topic in his way

7:15 Karen talks about wilber, religion of tomorrow. “Do we have subtle bodies?” What Wilber say about that is not very clear. How do the experiences relate to subtle body? Karen shares her vision/experience

9:40 Paul: gross, subtle and causal body, states = waking up. Brain wave research. Expand the concept to emotional states-

12:25 Heidi: we are all the time in some state!

13:05 Devon checks in and shares his perspective of states, states of fullness and emptiness, transcendence states. Were is our starting point.

14:30 Stage experience to state experiences.

15:00 States experiences not only spiritual, Heidi thinks: what state am I in is more fundamental than the

16:10 Karen: Stages are developmental, states are on different axis, they are potentials on any stage. Coherent spectrum, accessible from all structural stages. Stages are fluid. Analogy of cups and water flowing in and out.

18:30 Paul: Container and flow. Directed states can be useful. His experience with working with Hypnotherapy.

20:38 Heidi: we mainly fall into the states, Karen: we need to be skillful to use them well

21:13 Kate: how much groups can influence states. Shares an experience.

22:18 Heidi: we influence each other, visible in the auras. We have the power to influence, what comes out depends on our state and intention.

23:25 Emotional aspect: what we do with the energy. Even negative emotions can be used powerfully.

24:30 Tim hopes to hear about how to consciously use and work the state you are in.

25:15 Paul: About green groups. He shares be used to negative states. Need to direct it more. Integral seems to be more accepting.

27:10 Devon: It seems natural in integral to embrace emotion. An enduring space which holds these states. Experience of concentrating only on states and divorce from stages.

28:40 Heidi shares her experience, anger, sadness to respond to Tim. She uses music, better even movement. The power of music.

30:25 Karen: emotional state is one category,sequence:physical state, emotional, mental state, spiritual/intuition. They deeply influence each other and are interconnected.

32:05 Heidi share experience with Derwish dance brings you in di

32:35 Kate: flow state, how do we determine what you call these states, spiritual or lower meme

33:25 Paul refers to other quadrants: seasons are states, also body states/nervous system

34:30 Karen: states have correlates in all 4 quadrants. We space, etc.

35:25 Natalie:  ebb and flow cycles vs . linearity. 4 quadrants also important

37:17 Ryan shares a documentary: “Imagining the future”: person connected with computer measuring their nervous system walks through city and sees how the surrounding he passes through influences his mood. – when he is president, every city will be designed that way!

39:00 Paul: Resilience, more awareness of things changing in integral? He is more aware i.e. about he feels in different seasons. Awareness and knowing instead of battling the states!

40:40 Natalie: State of the world: you can spiritually bypass or part of the ebb and flow cycle and work for going ahead

41:45 Appreciation of transient state of everything: experience the preciousness of everything which is: causal level. Stability is essential – structure states in healthy expression.

23:20 Organisation of the call for non visibile participants. Devi and Devon

44:40 Reintroducing the topic for the call. Devi: Organic hierarchy of the states: she doesn’t feel them seperate, she experiences them embedded. Direct experience like space awareness. Metaphor: matryoshka dolls.

49 Natalie responds to Devi, she responds back. The experience is salad, not soup. Much more refined. Distinctions remain but become more defined.

51:15 Paul: Throat chakra vibe. He feels people speaking from a different state. Vibrational. Coherent states. Sound based metafores.

53:55 Heidi shares Jeremie’s approach: listening connected to MAGIC, listening brings you into a state. Higher states: connected to emotions? Wants to weave these things together. Gebser seems to do that more while Wilber more separates everything in analysis.

56 Karen: need both. More nuanced distinctions when going up the states and stages. We have different systems which are part of one organic body. Organic interconnectedness.

57:55 Natalie shares a diagramm, explanation: space, time, self. Example: experience emotions in the body, you can learn to what it is pointing to in every direction.

59:40 Tim: where do these dimensions of what I experience go? How do you make the decision, where to go and integrate

1:00:35 Paul: more mind can be more body. Lost in the feeling soup < insight of emotion> of why. Somehow mysterious, embodiment.

1:02:20 Heidi: starting to tell stories when too much in brain. Listen as antidote. Make sense in a non-story way, sensing instead of dividing.

1:03:30 Devon: listening comes in forefront when growing/waking up . Serves for deciding.

1:04:30 Karen: where does my energy wants to go. Example for using dark emotion to go to a positive space. About a dying friend, her physical response hiding emotion (anger). Manipulation attempt by the victim in denial. Working out to release anger and then realize that the friend was driven by terror.

1_05:25 Devi. Appreciates Tim’s question: How do you navigate the infinite ideas, concepts, experiences? She shares her way. Integration of instinct and intuition, sensing the environment and refined energetic sensing.

1:10:10 Ryan experiences that when doing sports, martial arts etc. instincts, but highly mental at the same time. Where do I put my intention on in the specific situation, context?

1:11:40 Tim: where to put attention: example of a training situation. Like parenting. Many different choices, need internal trust what to chose, influenced by the teaching by our parents. Put yourself in many contexts doesn’t allow to focus on one place.

1:14:30 Attention leads to nondual witness.

1:15:03 Natalie: shares her excitement. Gross, subtle causal. Connected with the stages? Example of her ideas where they meet. Decision about the right path: broaden or get more specific about our state experience: A example of her experience.  

1:18:20 Paul. Seeing all options and not knowing what to do: shrinking goes to physical body or into causal. Sense of shame: I should know what I am doing! Is it normal in Integral?

1:20:20 Tim: does this belong to integral? – Paul responds: there are no road maps: causal.

1:21:40 Heidi: the karma? Not in accordance with is expected. But when you have a super passion it is slavery. Chosen a middle way. How to do decisions? Let it be and listen. Begin to accept this way of living

1:23:35 Devi also shares her familiarity with what Tim shared about the insecurity. The fear of missing out. Less goal orientation and more trust brings her more of both by exposing to less. About the daily noise: how do I decide?

1:26:35 Checkouts start. Tim feels held, Natalie navigates with patience and intuition, Paul: feels empowered, Devon: appreciation, Ryan: about teaching boxing as example, felt always lost and learns to be with it.

1:30 Devi: the more we know we know that we don’t know. Trust in own capacity. Heidi: Appreciates the distribution of ages in this group: you know when one life period is over. Ongoing learning and do something good!

1:32:30 Preview to next meetings. Reminder to join the Forum INTEGRAL ONLINE on WeTipp.

By Heidi Hornlein

8TH RECORDED MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

Handling the stages of development

Resources

0:00 Intro Heidi: exploring the topic for today. Check ins

1:25 Jeremy Johnson

2:15 Paul

3:35 Kate Crisp

4:15 Ryan Nakade

4:30 Karen Voorhees

5:00 Heidi Summary: Stages

7:00 Paul: About the first crossfire debate. Red and green felt by him.

9:25 Kate reports watching the recording. The conversation seemed orange to her.

10:12 Karen about the What now Conference. Comes from an orange place. Different stages online. Allow the red aspect. How do we re-integrate power?

14:10 Feedback by Heidi to Karen.

15:00 Paul suggest 2-3 minutes. Kate thanks for the blue!

16:10 Jeremy red =mythical hero, dreamlife, capacity, orientation,  directness, authonomy, selfhood. Magical vitalism. Impose one’s will.

18:50 Heidi thanks Jeremy for his different vision,

19:10 Ryan Nakade. “Betty Angels (?)”, integrated, blue,orange Green.

20:20 Heidi’s share: how to deal with the levels. Especially with red, orange explanations don’t work.

22:00 Kate: red = Passion and creative. Daikini. Wrathful energy. Abuse possible.

23:06 Paul: “I didn’t see that that way!” only when people talk about it. Which energy is which? In his experience. – Interruption.

24:58 Ryan: he doesn’t feel comfortable in extreme green environment.

26:00 Heidi: The power of the victim. – You have to take responsibility for your own feelings.

27:22 Kate: can we inspire resilience? Exaggerated self labeling like PDST for a minimal thing. Prisoners have a lot of resilience and humour! Feel one’s own strength without

28:43 Karen: Immaturity of the victim claim. She learned to come to peace with it. Either withdraw in anger (unhealthy), keeping own boundaries, 3-2-1 process.

30:30 Jeremy. Cultural fragmentation. Tech world, designed by people with their own orientation. Human oriented or not. Information bubbles and fighting others. Peterson-Zizak debate: failure to transform culture but overcompensation in another direction.

33:10 Kate asks back to Jeremy. “Rewrite society”. Deal with social collapse. Impotence to transform creatively our culture. Anxiety which needs to be addressed

35:00 Heidi: Like struggle in couples: not facing the real important things by being concerned with less important things. Jeremy takes it further. Heidi: re-learn what is really important.

37:05 Paul is back. Bring things into perspective when moving out of green, and be involved in the world. Making decisions.

38:30 Ryan asks Heidi about “Where are the Women?”. Where does that question come from? Heidi: red: still anger that women don’t step up. Also expectation to need to act like men.  We haven’t figured out the feminine way of being in the world, leadership. A difference between America: integral life and Hungary, European integral movement.

41: 30 Ryan follow up question. Comparison with race.

42:08 Women could do a better job in society, we still adapt. Asking to invite women to try out to do things differently

43:05 Kate: resilience issue: women have more to deal with than men. She observes that women shouldn’t be manly, maybe little girls. Women issues in background, more now gender, intersectuality etc.

44:35 Jeremy: Afraid to make a green statement. Hesitant to engage in that mentality. We create our safe space where we can speak about ambivalences etc. Women also in psychedelic communities absent, explore these things in Integral.

46:30 Kate: toxic masculinity. Female toxicity: weird timing to talk about that now: it is the women’s fault.

47:35 Paul: in gender war, men groups ridiculed. Debate about gender makes only sense when both sides are included. Vacuum. Should be ying/yang, otherwise red war.

49:15 Jeremy: immoderate release of self expression. Overcompensation for the lack = chemical reaction, no middle space. Unstable chain reaction.

50:55 Heidi: “attack” is normal, we don’t have a conversation culture. Uncivilized ways of being together.

51:45 Paul: Modelling a debate in crossfire.  Being of service, appreciating purple.

53:20 Karen: We are creating a community of communication. We are in a great transitional era, old structures have to break down, regression + progression. Dark age, massive change.

55:17 Paul: existential state of the world, mostly nihilistic, integral tribes seem to have a more positive view. Karen answers from the point of view of an historian. Extreme environmental stress forces evolution. 99.9% of people believe that the world comes to an end.

57:30 Kate doubts the number: so many people emerge and work on it.

58:00 “The Consciousness Culture”. Transition message from different angles. John Bandle (?) ecological collapse is non linear, out of human control. Transformation no matter what. Deep adaptation. Push back or focus on rebooting.

1:01 Ryan Integralists have the best map – and still doesn’t know what to do. What to put into “teal”? Practical application. How to frame things can be more powerful than the content. Andrew Yang frames in a teal way. Reframing first tier solutions.

1:02:50 Karen: Green antipathy to capitalism and industrialisation. Preoccupation of being pushed back into poverty by deconstructing capitalism. Those people need more blue than less. Purple level of infrastructure cannot feed the world.

1:04:50 Paul: getting up and doing stuff. Emotional exploration, more knowledge of physical health. Down to earth stuff gets less voice.

1:06:25 How you do things is important, action exists already. How is more important than the what.

1:07:20 Kate votes for Yang: speaking out in straight language. Practice group on communication skills? NVC is useful, but needs deeper with green people. Try out with real life scenarios.

1:09 Ryan: What can I do? If the answer is:I don’t know. What can you do? Walk away.

In hawaii people don’t get triggered as there is no ideology about green. Paul contributes on the idea of practicing. Go off the integral cloud! Lower stages often more embodied. Talk to them!

1:11:50 Kate about practice groups: not practicing on real people, but in the group where it is ok to develop the skill. Skills for dealing with traumatisation.

Heidi: Role play. Kate: Belonging comes before inclusion

1:15:10 Karen about her experience with NVC. Nominates Kate as moderator for a nvc practice group.

1:17 Close to the bone when practicing!

1:17:50 Starting the check out. Karen gives feedback, appreciation.

1;18:35 Jeremy. Thinking about things in a new way.

1:19:16 Paul: coming to the experience, being more practical. Rules, blue container, preference.

1:20:20 Ryan: crsp blue time keeping: Housekeeping for the debate appointment. Referring to Damiano’s platform.

1:21:35 Kate: appreciation for Karen and Jeremy.

1:22:11 Heidi: double role as moderator and participants. Inability to recognise in time red energy and deal with it instead falling into the trap. Appreciation, Thanks.

8TH RECORDED MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

The green level of development

Resources

coming

00:00 – introductions

3:50 – guided meditation by Natalie

10:11 – check ins, social justice,

13:30 – 60’s civil rights, equal opportunity vs equal outcome, hierarchy,

23:00 – Green and awesome music,

25:20 – mean Green meme, different flavors of Green

29:40 – postmodernism’s deconstruction of modernity, positive parts of Green,

34:20 – Green as ecological concern

39:50 – baby boomers, 1968, Foucault and deconstruction of humanities,

45:26 – Hawaiian Green without social justice ideology, Green and social consciousness

53:14 – Green and presence, permaculture, back to the land,

53:36 – Green and art,

58:11 – Good sides of Foucault and postmodernism,

1:04:32 – Postmodern art was rebellion against beauty,

1:08:00 – Map and the territory, fragmentation, pastiche,

1:14:30 – understanding networks and systems, jumping to Integral

1:16:25 – closing statements, Green and existential meaning crises, WW2

Timestamps taken by Ryan

SEVENTH RECORDED MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

The blue level of development

Resources

3:25 — check ins

14:25 – Ginny Whitelaw is awesome

15:13 – Personal sharing about Blue

26:40 – problems with unprocessed Blue

31:10 – Blue is the beginning of controlling the ego

32:00 – dangers of radical traditionalists

34:00 – Appreciating the positive parts of Blue, Christianity, “salt of the earth” goodness, service, devotion, high character, people are happier,

45:20 – historical perspective on Blue

46:10 – Blue and free will, Good vs. Evil, problems with Shadow

51:00 – How to properly frame an issue, Blue and ethical responsibility and altitudes, “moral fiber”

1:01:00 – Blue and Shadow

1:05:00 – Communicating/relating with Blue

1:13:00 – Blue and barriers

1:15:30 – Shadow vs. Character Flaw

1:20:00 – Trump and the American Shadow

1:33:30 – Closing Remarks on Blue – Integrating Blue with Green, Blue causes reactions in people, need structure,

1:41:00 – Daminao’s platform

Timestamps taken by Ryan

The “beige” level of development

Resources

0: housekeeping

1:15 Round of checkins, regarding the beige stage of development

From 18: discussion on beige starts Paul: Body, Trauma, etc.

19: Karen V compares beige to the other stages and what we can do wherever we are suppressing and repressing beige.

22:30 Heidi orients the discussion on WHAT is beige for us and others. Fundamental needs, newborn babys.  What is the characteristic of beige. Levels of development and continuous part of us

24 Pre-verbal, no real diferentiation. Early experience tied with causal body. Fear at that stage becomes eternal state of panic, The earlier those experiences are, the more that fear will persist. No good tactics to deal with that. What are the best ways to deal with that? Efficient tools?

26:30 Body language. Paul shares, dangerous energy.

28 homo sapiens started 200.000years ago, with some sort of language. Expressions of emotions.

31: rudimentary spoken language, no separate self-sense

33 differentiation child bearing more chaos today than then. Any experience happens in an unclear i-space. No differentation of quadrants.

35 Hunter gather tribes.  Child his held all the time. Child feeling safe as lack of resources, needs develop a physical connection, no sense of aloneness when you grow in a tribe

38 Karen V: protection against preditors when holding the child all the time – as opposed to crip-death. Paul: Coming of age = pain.

39; kate: panic when not hearing the voice of the mother when separated with birth in orphans.

41: Ronald = orphan and felt a bodily connection when he finally met his mother. Physiology tricked him althoiugh in a good adoptive family. Lime desease: you have taken care for your body, otherwise you wouldn’t be alive today. Recovering from the early stage development.

44 Natalie in stomach: inability to digest experience. Paul: digestion shuts down.

Damiano: early issues: if early interpretation is fear, awakeining is more difficult, also shadowwork etc, : people don’t have a “file” for happiness. Bring back imagination. Different cultures need different practices.

48 Karen V: undifferentiated potential 100.000 years ago: all emotions mixed, other stages accessible undifferentiated. Westners wounded at lower levels= opening possible to being flooded by higher states, even when unhealthy on lower levels.. ?

50 Out of body experiences, access to higher states can be problematic to people who have too many antennas.

53 D: Cardiac coherence: western societies have a lot of stress, fosters beige. Natalie: trust. Deregulate the nervous system without TRYING to feel safe. Kate: trauma in Tibet, too.

K: beige is also about GOOD feelings. Athletes

Ronald: gone inward because with his history survival was only this way. Altered states. MAybe people had a harder time with stage development and went into states development.

Ryan: ANANDA in college: spiritual path goes UP, having energetic blocks, needing to go DOWN.

1.00. Spiritual breakthrough when he went down to beige and death in meditation. Went into something greater1:02 About Don Beck – no spirituality

Natalie + Paul: both higher and lower stages together. Dealing with death: difficult not to go into spiritual or existental.

06: violence in beige. Own it with Martial Arts. Female violence. Karen about her heroine who is expressing violence: brutal nature, violence to take care of oneself

11: Paul: contrast men-women in beige. Different concepts and values.

15:Ronald:  survivorship together with the higher stages: safety first, survival first in all stages. Reclaim body trust after rape/abuse.

17 Natalie bioenergetic level: small hips, jaw, hips, feet connected. Work with beige, do physical exercise.

Paul: World has become less violent, aötogether.

20 Hans Rosling: gapminder.

22 N:  healthier systems on the LR, increasing levels of freedom, integral theory hasn’t come up with economical system. Adaptive freedom. Compelled yes, but not alienation. Much is locked in beige because we need to pay the bills.  We need to talk about LR, to engineer enlightenment. Coding society possible.

Agony and extasy existentail angst and singularity

THIRD RECORDED MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

Exploring integral together.
Main topic: The red level of consciousness

Resources

FIRST MEETING OF THE INTEGRAL PEER TO PEER GROUP

First half hour:  people introduce themselves and organisation agreements and topic finding
from about min 34 we talk about the “Green Meme”

Collection of topics of interest:

Karen Vorhees: How to deal with GREEN
Paul: Spiral Dynamics in culture and politics
Damiano:Integral approach as guideline for therapy and healing, practical applications of integral, i.e. take a topic from the news and look at it from an integral perspective
Karen N: Understanding Green
Karen S: learning about Integral
Ryan: green issues from the minority perspective