# Reflections on Humanity, Connection, and Societal Challenges in a Global Conversation

## Summary

This conversation among a group of friends or colleagues touches on a wide array of human experiences and societal issues, anchored by themes of personal growth, connection, and the evolving challenges of living in a complex world. They begin by sharing personal life updates, including family milestones such as the arrival of a great-grandchild and reflections on aging, health, and resilience. The participants share joys and sorrows, including stories of illness, the death of a college friend, and the bittersweet nature of fleeting family visits.

Central to the dialogue is a philosophical exploration of what it means to be human, particularly from the perspectives of childhood development, trauma, healing, and lifelong learning. They discuss the biological and emotional challenges babies face in becoming human, the impact of trauma on body and mind, and the continuous journey of self-improvement. The conversation touches on the crucial role of curiosity and perseverance throughout life and the importance of connection—both emotional and physical—in healthy development.

The group also critiques current political and social climates globally—highlighting rising conservatism, women’s rights being challenged, cultural integration issues, and the dangers of extremist ideologies such as those impacting Europe and North America. They reflect on the history of women’s liberation, acknowledging the privileges gained by past generations and expressing concern for regression in freedoms, especially in relation to political Islam and systemic disenfranchisement.

Throughout, the participants emphasize the importance of empathy, dialogue, and the ongoing task of teaching and nurturing the next generation amidst turmoil. They appreciate the rare and valuable opportunity to exchange ideas without offense, nurturing freedom and respect. The conversation closes with wishes for well-being and a hopeful outlook that reason, peace, and connection will prevail despite the times’ difficulties.

## Highlights
– 🌱 The lifelong process of becoming and being human involves curiosity, perseverance, and self-improvement.
– 👶 Early childhood development is marked by frustration and learning, highlighting the complexity of growth.
– 💔 Stories of loss and illness underscore life’s fragility and the importance of connection.
– 🧠 Trauma manifests physically and emotionally, affecting expression and requiring healing modalities.
– 🕊️ Concern over rising political extremism and cultural fragmentation globally.
– 👩‍⚖️ Deep appreciation for women’s rights achieved, mixed with fears of regression.
– 🤝 The value of respectful, open dialogue as a foundation for understanding and freedom.

## Key Insights

– 🌟 **Human Development as a Complex Journey:** The dialogue underscores that becoming fully human is not instantaneous but a complex, lifelong process involving physical, emotional, and cognitive development. Babies’ frustration with motor skills and gradual coordination symbolize the broader human condition of trial, error, and perseverance. This invites us to view personal growth with patience and compassion, appreciating that learning never stops.

– 🧬 **Physical Body and Trauma Interaction:** One speaker highlights the profound connection between trauma and the body’s biomechanics—trauma can distort posture and limit emotional expression, which in turn affects mental health. This insight aligns with somatic psychology principles and suggests that healing trauma requires integrated approaches addressing both mind and body.

– 👵 **Aging and the Cycle of Life:** Stories of ailing friends and relatives juxtaposed with the vitality of new babies illustrate life’s cyclical nature and the spectrum between growth and decline. This contrast invites reflection on dignity in aging, the pain of loss, and the joy of new beginnings as fundamental parts of the human experience.

– 🎭 **Sociopolitical Climate and Feminism:** The group examines current political realities, noting alarming rises in right-wing conservatism, political Islam’s challenges to women’s freedoms in Europe, and disenfranchisement in North America. They express concern about reversals in gender equality and cultural integration, warning against complacency and stressing the need to protect hard-won freedoms.

– 📚 **The Role of Education and Curiosity:** Curiosity is identified as a driving force for lifelong learning and self-betterment. The participants emphasize learning to learn as crucial, noting that negative educational experiences can inhibit growth. They advocate for education systems that nurture curiosity and resilience, key for facing complex future challenges.

– 🤝 **Importance of Connection:** The conversation repeatedly underlines the essential human need for close connection—between parent and child, among friends, within society—to foster health, growth, and resistance to alienation. The baby’s interactions with family and pets exemplify nurturing environments as foundations for emotional and social development.

– 🌍 **Global Challenges Require Mature Dialogue:** With the rise of misinformation, extremism, and cultural clashes, the participants recognize the difficulty but necessity of respectful, reasoned discourse. Their own exchange models how listening without offense and sharing diverse views are critical for maintaining democratic values and humanity.

This multifaceted conversation presents a rich tapestry of personal reflection and societal critique, offering nuanced perspectives on how to navigate the challenges of becoming and being human in a rapidly shifting world.

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So, women met us the first time in September 2026. Here in Italy, the heat is still, as you can see, I’m dripping. It’s still going on, but next week it should be better. Uh, altogether it’s fine on my side. I’m at the moment alone and I’m preparing for for the fest and cleaning and making order and all things which have been left out for a long time and now it’s an occasion to you know to how do you say put uh get up with a butt and do [laughter] something. So I’m in this phase and um I’m glad that

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Gout will come and uh next week to see us. So Christine, 8 years ago, 9 years ago, or eight and a half, you were here. It’s time that you come back. Gina, when was it when you were here? It’s also time to come [laughter] back. You as mute. >> I think around that time. >> Around that time, maybe. Yeah, >> it’s hard to know. I mix it up with your my conversations with you and Mark. >> Yeah, it’s time ago. It’s time to come back. And Mona, I try to to attract her

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to come over, but she refused. She says she is too old. >> Who is too old? >> But not right now. It’s not possible. >> No, not now. It’s clear. But you know, let’s go on in life. And I give over to Mona for the check in. >> Yes, in Vienna we had nice days, cooler days supposedly. It’s getting hot tomorrow, but this will be the last day, the last hot day. And the nights are rather cool. We had 14 centigrates, so that’s really cool. And yeah, it was very nice to sleep. Well, I’m still

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um very much attracted to mong majong beta and majong blast two groups. And I find myself it’s really a a concentration meditation. It’s onepointed concentration and [clears throat] I’m enjoying it. It’s uh still and we I’m playing about 4 hours a day, sometimes five. And there were times when I played six [snorts] and then I decided it’s too much. But uh I sort of uh yeah it’s it’s uh an immediate gratification when you solve it and so I really enjoy it and I’ll see how long it will last and of

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course I only have my small and it would be nice on a tablet and and better to see but still on the other hand uh there is not well we were all astonished by the not really astonished it was to be expected by the uh election results in Germany and yeah and tonight we’ll have an interview of uh the party leader of our right conservative party so we’ll see how he responds to that and uh Yeah, that’s about my grand great grandchild, my great grandchild is doing fine. She will be three months

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on Tuesday or Wednesday. Wednesday and she is already trying to crawl and she can’t yet. And she gets so frustrated her her hands don’t move right. She just does with her legs and and then she cries out. And so it’s really oh it’s very very hard to become a human being. [laughter] Yeah. >> So but still we get beautiful photographs of her and everybody’s so much in love with her. It’s really nice. Okay. I give on to Christine. >> What’s her name? Emily. >> I don’t know why they choose a French

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sounding name, but it’s Emily. So, yeah. >> Okay. It is hot here also, but uh nights are a little bit cooler, so it we get a little relief at nighttime, but yeah, it’s still quite warm. Um, Tom had a birthday this week, so we celebrated that by going to the movies because they have air conditioning. [laughter] And we went to see The Odyssey, which u was very long. It was very loud. I put in earplugs um because it was so loud. Uh neither of us liked the movie very much. It was okay, but it’s not like

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something I would tell you you just got to see. Um, and then my daughter Alexis had been here. Uh, I didn’t see you guys two weeks ago, so she was leaving around that time and I had a mamogram that Monday morning. But, um, that was nice. It was nice to have her come. She packed up all her stuff in a pod. I don’t know if you guys have that, but there’s a pod and you fill it with all your stuff and then the pod gets shipped to wherever you want it to be delivered. So, she did that. Um, left a

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lot of stuff behind. I don’t know. We got still have a lot of her her stuff in our house, but it was good to see her. Then, it was also hard when she left because it was like having to go through that all over again, having her here and enjoying it and then having her leave. So, um, but that’s about it. I guess everything else is okay. trying to think if there’s anything important to report, but um I every every day I think you guys are laughing about Trump, which is great. Like every day something comes up in the

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news this that’s just more unbelievable than the day before. And now, well, I mean, there’s so many things, but um one of the bigger things is the 25th anniversary of 9/11 is on Friday, and of course at 25 years, they’re going to have a lot of memorials and a lot of things. So, the one in New York, all the former presidents are going and the only president not going is Donald Trump. So, why would that be? He’s a New Yorker, right? So, um, it turns out he they don’t do speeches at the memorials.

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There’s no political speeches. There’s no getting up and somebody talking like they want to talk. It’s a memorial. And so, he decided he didn’t want to go because they weren’t going to let him talk, which it’s just it it it’s mind-blowing. It’s unbelievable. So, that’s that’s the latest news. We’ll see what happens today or tomorrow. So, I will turn it over to um Gina. >> Oh, we’re staying in North America. Um thank you, Christine. Um and we’re not

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actually laughing, by the way. Um it’s too serious to laugh. Um yes, and it is certainly everybody knows where they were on that day. So, um it’s a big day for all of us. Um here we have our moderate temperatures. So, we’re actually only 16° at the moment. So, we’re having our cool nights. 22 23 during the day. Yesterday, we had a beautiful blue sky and it was just crystal blue. Perfect. Um, our fires are coming down. Um in terms of school the uh data analytics tool in vivo the university

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didn’t manage to renew it properly and so anybody doing data analysis has been stuck since about the 28th um with early September to get back to work. So um as frustrating as that is it forced me to get writing on my methodology. So I’m starting the writing of thesis and I haven’t done writing for almost a year academic writing for a year. So, it’s good to actually write about something having actually done it versus pontificate. How might I do this research? Things changed from the plan.

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What a surprise. Um, other than that, I’ve finished the book, The Wizard of Us, and so really appreciate that ref uh referral to Jane Houston. It was an interesting interesting way to look at the fable. So, I’m on the search for my next book. So, we’ll see. Um, in terms of topics, I’m sort of thinking I like your comment, Mona, like how it’s not easy to be human. And I I there’s something about it is an ongoing thing. And that’s exactly what Houston said at the end of it. It’s our

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job to be the best we can be and it takes forever. So enjoy the ride. And with that, I’ll turn it over to Gartrid. Can you hear me? Okay. So, um talking about books this morning. I was in um in the appreciative inquiry Europe group that meets once a month and we just shared what has happened over the the summer because we didn’t meet in August and um [clears throat] and and then like do I have a story to tell or a movie to propose or a book or something and I’m going to have the list of those books

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uh what they share and it was so interesting I cannot it was just too quick too many uh but uh as soon as I have the list I will send it to Heidi and or to everyone and um so that that was because it was really like um What did they call it? Uh, one was called the moral ambition or yeah, things like that. So, just wait [laughter] till that. Um, I have spent last week in bed well really with fever, not high but my head was just I couldn’t think. I couldn’t do anything. I couldn’t go for a walk or

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um do groceries or anything. So my my husband was not here. He came back yesterday. Uh so for a week he was uh doing a a photo gig and um my I’ve never seen my fridge really empty. I mean, it was nothing left and I lost a little bit and um but I was knocked out really like just lying in bed not even reading and um my my voice was the first that was gone and maybe it’s the last that will [snorts] need to recover. So, I didn’t do much last week. >> Actually, nothing. >> And I’m happy that the W the celebration

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is still almost two weeks. So, I Yeah, I can recover more easily. >> Otherwise, we do a voice lesson and the voice comes back. >> Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. >> Um and um now it’s official. So, the 12 weeks are over. Um, and I can announce that we will have a six sixth grandchild >> in March. [snorts] I’m I think I mean the our youngest will turn 40 next year, so I think that will be the last in that. Well, you never know. Um [snorts] but it’s it’s kind of

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yeah there is an opening for that and and um I mean she was pretty she had a she had a what do you uh call it miscarriage um with two and that really knocked her out. So it took quite a while till she dared again and this time she said don’t talk don’t don’t say anything after the 3 months are over. So I’m pretty happy about this and I hope she’s fine and healthy and everything goes fine. [snorts] So that’s there was something else I wanted to share but my head is a little still past

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catch. >> So we go on a little bit we have already >> 15 minutes past. [clears throat] >> Yeah. >> So uh what I find interesting dinina with the wizard of o tried to find it as an audio book. I couldn’t find it as an audio book and at the moment I’m only a I think an ebook and I’m sitting so much on the computer my is already you know hurting there from all the time hanging like this so I don’t want to read books on on computer if I and I’m very much auditive and I

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would love to have it as audio book um but I still have in my ear the voice of Jane Houston when she talks about it when in in certain courses she was talking about the wizard of earth and how she sees the whole thing. That’s really wonderful. Unfortunately, she is not let’s say in the range of people who are now considered to be worthwhile to appear on audible. So, okay, what does it become to become a human? And I would add an adult human because you know many of us stuck get stuck in a certain earlier age. I just

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um uh heard some talks from oh god I’ve forgotten the name. Um a person who lives in Israel but the teachers in America and other people about Nazism and things like that and one I mean he says we all have narcissism [laughter] to a certain degree you know so uh I’m I’m wondering about our psychologist only one today you are not psychologist Gina only you’re getting your head around many of these topics but not as a professional so what makes a little child a human and How does mix

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the years a human to adult human hopefully. So that would be my suggestion of topic and not a narcissist human or whatever other disturbances are there uh psychopath, sociopath or whatever there is, you know. So how can we grow up and be healthy? Sort of healthy at least. my suggestion for the topic. >> I want to jump in with something completely different than normally. Um, learning the healing human stuff. Um, [clears throat] I I got how how the body gets changed through trauma. So like almost

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distorted sometimes. Um that end if you have like if you’re like this to smile is very hard. So not to feel the trauma and to survive. The body reacts in a certain way which gives you the um like attention here and uh too loose here or whatever. And and then you cannot feel certain emotions. you cannot express certain motion uh emotions. So this I find it completely fascinating. So the archetypes that um we were talking about they are also like if you have a trauma then you have like maybe sadness or or rage or whatever you

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couldn’t express at that time and then you jump to another um emotion like but it’s more superficial. It’s not the deep down. It’s it’s more like um I was not allowed to be sad so I even smile at a at a funeral or make jokes. So this this let’s say superficial or or triggered emotion when there’s something you normal a normal human being would be sad [laughter] and then to to work on this and by changing the biomechanics you can really like yeah turn the clock back in in

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many ways. And it’s not not only biomechanics, it’s it’s also the mindset where they have uh they come from the archetypes and say okay your superficial um emotion might be this or is this and then we work in a protocol to get deeper. But I thought it’s um I I I just want to share a um a picture with you which really amazed me. Um my one of my granddaughters, she was in the bowl in a boulder thing and just jumping down and just Yeah. And her father can hold her up and and she can hold herself and so

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so it’s it’s both. It’s like when you in a like you don’t have sports at school or uh they skip it because math is more important then then even if it’s not a trauma in in the normal sense but it’s a trauma for kids to sit five hours in a row and not being able to move. So even then you you infuse something that that will distort the emotions. So because they cannot move in a certain way or they sit too much in so I I’m I’m so fascinated by how that works together the body emotion

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mind um complex and wherever you start and and do something that’s not good for your for your humanity I would say then yeah there will the effects and and it’s the question where do you start or or what is the appropriate means to to get back to that? Is it like biomechanics? Is it therapy? Is it whatever to bring you back to what makes a human with full self-expression? linking this to Mon [laughter] >> linking this to Mona and your observation of your greatgrandchild uh how do you think that we these babies

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and the parents how can they avoid uh let’s say a restriction as Gatra describes >> well uh as far as I see my grandchild, my granddaughter, uh she holds the baby constantly. She has something to to tie around her waist and so it always has her heartbeat and um her uh it’s like therapy actually when you hold your baby like this. And uh now she try she’s more satisfied when she turns around and looks around and wherever there is a noise or a voice she knows she turns her head and in her in

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the baby carriage she lies on her tummy and she looks outside. So, um I guess three 3 months is just too early to uh being close to your mother and your father all the time. Uh I guess helps a lot as well. Um, and even the dog, I have some photographs now. When the dog, the dog comes and tries to lick her hands and so she is really surrounded by love all the time. It’s it’s yeah, it’s beautiful to watch. friends and her aunt, the sister of my great daughter, granddaughter. Um, she will be the Christianing

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whatever that is. Uh, and >> we say God, we say godmother. >> Godmother, >> godmother. She will be a godmother. And she also when you see the photographs, how she holds her and how she, as you show, they are all so intrigued by the baby. It’s it’s beautiful. It’s just beautiful to watch. And yeah, that’s about all I can can say that I observe. Uh yeah, and she is very maybe that’s in our family. She’s very impatient with herself. So she really they they give her all

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these uh beautiful things to look at. Black and white bread. That’s supposedly the colors they can see at that time. And you can see she she tries to reach them and when she can’t reach them, she is frustrated. So it she is very impatient with herself. But it’s uh on the other hand, she finally grabbed one of these things that make noise that hang down. Oh, and she grabbed it. And the way she she was fascinated that she could make it move and sound so that it’s Yeah, it’s just beautiful to watch.

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>> So we don’t even see it live. Do you conclude that curiosity and wanting to do something, wanting to to reach something, wanting to reach something and be curious is this part of becoming human in your uh I hear that in what you are saying and also the impatient impatient is is the part of becoming human >> at her age she it’s it’s probably she will put everything in her mouth right now because she found when she finds it, she hasn’t really found it yet, but she tries to to put her hand to her mouth.

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So, it takes a long time to get the brain coordinated. That’s Yeah. And Yeah. And it takes a rather short time to lose it all because uh something that really depressed me the last couple of days is that a very important man in my life uh he has I don’t know how it’s caki I don’t know how it spelled in English. So he loses his muscle power and it went so fast and so he can uh it’s just he doesn’t want to be visited. He just is too proud. I don’t know. But it’s really depressing at the same time

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that you can lose it so quickly and he doesn’t even have the power to sit up in bed for example. So that’s that’s the two opposites I have in my life right now. The one that’s >> who are you talking about going down >> who are you talking about the lost >> a friend of mine a lifelong friend and I had my first experience of cosmic consciousness with him. So that’s what makes him very special. >> But still yeah that’s And I’m trying to find a balance and

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heal a mantra most of the time. And whenever I notice that I tend towards depression, not too foric. [sighs] Okay. I I um also found out of a loss. My college roommate passed away. And um you know, it’s funny. She lives on the other side of the country. we don’t see each other or have much contact, but the world feels different to me now that I know this. She’s been she passed away at the end of March, so obviously it’s not a new ripple in the universe, but um for me it is to to know

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that she’s no longer here. And uh it was weird. I had made arrangements with her that we were going to meet in March [clears throat] in Virginia. And um it was all planned out and then she was a no-show and I knew she had health problems. So I didn’t think to I mean I tried to contact her but I heard nothing from her. Nothing. And so you’re kind of like is there something wrong? Is she mad at me? You know is there something what happened? So I didn’t know. Um and then our college reunion is coming up.

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So I reached out to her again to see if she would be going in April next next year and never heard from her. So long story short, I contacted her brother um who I also know and he was the one who told me she passed away in March and that was right around the time I was supposed to get together with her. So it was kind of sudden. Um her decline was was quite precipitous and and quick. Um, but it it’s just a weird thing that I keep every time she pops into my head. There’s just kind of a little bit of a earthquakey

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shakiness to to realize she’s no longer here. And I guess mostly what I’m sad about is, you know, I don’t get to talk to her again. You know, there’s there’s no goodbye. There’s no closure. Um, I don’t get to see her again. And of course my regret is that we we didn’t take more of an opportunity. It was very hard living on opposite sides of the country but still felt like I wish um had I known I would have done something. So that’s the sad part. And um I don’t and in terms of your

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topic, Gertroud, I don’t know. It it I think we need to make sure that we don’t confuse trauma and other life circumstances that actually promote resilience because if you’re a baby learning to crawl, that’s your biology is telling you, you know, this is what you’re supposed to be doing to develop. I mean, it’s not even even with frustration, that’s probably a good thing. We have to be persistent and motivated and and that baby’s working working out that balance between its

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frustration and its motivation. And um I don’t know I you know when it comes to education there’s so many clearly established principles about how how to educate children and what are the best practices. So I find it interesting that people just don’t follow them or they don’t utilize them when you know it’s it’s pretty clear what is helpful to make help children learn. So interesting. Interesting. That’s my two cents. Oh, and I did want to mention that Lorraine is now in France at her

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family’s um wedding in uh in the Normandy area. So that’s where she is today. >> [snorts] >> Well, I’ll I’ll share just it’s it’s funny how topics sort of weave each other. So, um the baby’s curiosity and the frustration, but then the absolute delight of eventually being successful and that perseverance. Uh it’s it’s interesting but the thing I found in my research is that uh the the people who I’ve interviewed for most part are very they’re like 70s 80s close to 90s some

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of them and curiosity just keeps coming up and and the curiosity that that doesn’t matter what the topic is. It’s just that there’s this curious longing but also they also said they want to be the b best person they can be. So there’s a curiosity to keep themselves uh thinking but also they say I have to keep improving myself whether it’s physically mentally or my ability to tolerate others and it’s that continued connection and hence the the baby’s comfort from once being in the mother to

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feeling close to mother. It’s that connection and if we lose that connection then I think all sorts of other things come in that aren’t necessarily the best thing for us. But uh I I think it’s interesting and I had a friend who was going through some challenges were looking after her father and um she had some raiki and the woman said your feet are in cement like you’ve got so much weight in your feet and if we can release some of the energy out of your feet maybe that will get you

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started and moving in a direction that helps both you and your dad. But there’s just so much so much going on. And uh I think the thing I liked about the wizard of us was there’s a lot of sessions in it where she does the guided meditation. So I actually recorded them Heidi because I can’t do read a meditation and do a meditation. And she really talked about like just start dealing with yourself and because you have you have so much control over yourself and it’s no different than the instant healing. I

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mean there’s a lot we can do and uh so I don’t think the job of being human is ever over for what that’s worth and learning learning to learn. Um, Christine, I read this great article about educators in the states saying, “We’ve got to get back to making learning a positive experience.” And I’d say part of my research was the negative experiences. And people who said, “I didn’t learn how to learn until university.” And learning to learn is what we essentially are built of. It’s the

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ability to learn. Occasionally not learn. That’s it. There’s a good definition of narcissism. A narcissist is some maybe somebody who thinks they don’t need to learn anything because they already know it all and everybody else is still trying to learn and figure things out. Narcissist doesn’t feel that way. [laughter] >> Your president is a good example. A really good >> [clears throat] [snorts] >> I’m I’m curious, is there much news about either the death of Dolly

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Parton or Gloria Steinum? Because we’re getting, you know, there’s all kinds of tributes to both of them. Um, and interestingly, people kind of they’re opposite sides of the same coin in terms of Gloria Steinum being very um, explicit about women’s rights and women’s freedoms and Dolly Parton looked the part of a very dalled up kind of, you know, what’s the word to the extreme, right? you know, feminine to, you know, to the point where it’s kind of laughable, but she was also a

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feminist in everything she did really. Um, she knew how to handle herself and be her best self and that’s why everybody, you know, we hear so much [clears throat] about her that’s positive because she really knew how to be she really was a unique person and knew how to be herself. So, do you guys hear much news about them or tributes? I I have never heard the both names, so I don’t know. >> Gloria Steinum, feminist from the 60s and 70s, the women’s movement. >> Heidi, I don’t believe it.

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>> And don’t just she’s just the icon. >> I was not very much Americanoriented in these times. We had Ali Swatza and somebody else, you know, >> not really [clears throat] in the American culture. >> So, I don’t know. >> Interesting. Cuz she’s What was that? Miz magazine that she started. >> Miz. Yeah. >> Yeah. She’s been around for a long time up here. Um, I’d say both. I mean, I think I Dolly was Dolly and I and what I’ve really loved is since she’s passed is is

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that she wrote a book and she talks about why she wanted to get dalled up like you know the in the small town that she was from and uh but it bel her her generosity and feminist attitudes and it I think it really came out it’s coming out in After Death that we’re finding out more about her because I’m not I wouldn’t never think of reading a book about Gloria Steinum, I think it’s just a reminder uh of of [snorts] how at the moment there’s a real push for masculinity in this world. Uh and taking

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away the feminine power and and it’s a reminder that we didn’t even get this far. At least in North America, we’ll say in North America, people take it for granted. And now when it’s being threatened, people are like, “Oh, I’m okay with that.” I’m like, what? >> You’re okay with not voting and letting your husband vote for you? Really? Um, so it’s if nothing else, her death is maybe a reminder that we didn’t get here um magically or with the help of you

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know or at the I would say at the initiation of men. They certainly weren’t interested in us having any of this confidence or access to schools or being judges or doctors and >> having rights. But uh >> now Heidi >> conduces it conduces me to say how grateful we need to be for what we were able our generation of women what we were able to do with my mother couldn’t do and who knows where it is going because at the moment uh women are sort of discarded by uh men who pretend to be

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women and um and push us out again. I mean out of our feminine uh dignity also. No. So I’m very very curious how that will go. Maybe I won’t live enough to to see that. But the gratitude for having been able to do what we could do what we are and we think it is normal to be a woman and have this liberty, this freedom. Yeah, I mean we have other reminders that it is not normal. You know when I see the also here in Italy the women with um wrapped up in their in their in their how do you call

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>> hijab hijabs >> and then having children uh in different ages with them. I think does it come back also into our uh societies that the women have to be in the role of breeding the food the the the foder how do you say that for the wars to to to to create boys for for fighting the wars of some crazy um powerdriven politicians. So that’s not what I imagined about being a woman, but I have never thought about it because we could live in this way and we could go. I still had to be

00:40:17
21 to have an own bank account. But you know, so Heidi, 1975, a working woman in Canada could not open her own bank account or have a charge card. She needed a male signature. It could be a husband, a brother, as long as it was a man. Like 1975, it not [laughter] >> init my mother was curious. >> In Switzerland 19 71 was the last canton that uh granted uh the vote for women. So it might be a short period you know when we thought of now finally we are there and it will be for eternity. So

00:41:11
>> let’s have somehow >> go ahead. >> Somehow I think when when Christine started and said um that uh every day there’s a new outrageous something. Um, in another context in Lenmark, we we uh sometimes we went to problems um like turning on the volume, exaggerated, exaggerate the problem you have like with man, with whatever and until you even your own brain doesn’t believe you anymore. So you you and we made fun uh like turning on our voice and yes they are the the worst in the world and blah blah

00:42:09
blah blah blah and and then at some point you had to laugh and [clears throat] and somehow I think this exaggeration and how how that’s turning out it’s So against uh democracy, against human um life, against women, against whatever um that at a certain point I have I have the feeling that even MAGA starts like what [laughter] that’s not what I wanted. Uh so so like to to have this uh like a a character caricature of of normaly what you you you you I mean you say okay this is over the top

00:43:16
but um I can live with it and then more and more and more and all of a sudden it’s like that’s that’s not what we came here for or that’s not what the mosque uh at least and every day more uh will lead to that even his followers kind of that he uses them because it’s so beyond that um they would say okay let’s recalure what’s normal or what we really want and and because otherwise he would be a hero and if he dies he’s um the best but now he’s demon the demon deontager

00:44:18
to to >> demagogue. >> No, [snorts] demagogue is but demonized. Demonized >> demonized. >> No, what I mean he >> he’s like >> u >> cutting on the on the on the branch he’s sitting on. So he he is >> Yeah. and all of a sudden it falls down and and then he is no hero anymore for nobody or >> I think that is not only this person there are so many people around at the moment you know also Germany I mean it’s it’s a catastrophe what is going on

00:44:59
everywhere craziness with this uh trying to go into war by force and like masochism like self-destroying Europe They want to to be eliminated obviously because they don’t come to to a sense and I always hope that what you say that finally people understand what is going on and say no we want peace we don’t want demonize nobody and then go for this demonization go into a war no look what is going on you really and get the information which you don’t get and then make yourself think yourself

00:45:42
and find your own picture and see that it is going towards war. We have had that twice last century. Do you really want the third time? Oh dear. So my hope is what Grow says that it gets so crazy that people will wake up and see what they are going because we were always thinking in when I went to school how could it happen the second world war >> and now it’s it’s in in in real time you can observe it and that makes me crazy in a certain sense but also hopeful that we are a little bit more

00:46:21
evolved and enough people will see it in time. Hopefully. Hopefully. And if that gets crazier and crazier, then might be the point where the last thing says, “Oh, that doesn’t make sense.” Hopefully. That’s my five cents to say, just so you know, Canadians are not immune to this. We have um much like is happening elsewhere in the world, the manosphere, which demonizes women as the reason for men’s unhappiness. and [clears throat] the fact that they’re not getting married. They are

00:46:54
blaming women [snorts] >> um that are successful. They don’t like women being successful. And this is a bit of a movement and it’s a in Canada it’s it’s catching on because anytime there’s unemployment and disenfranchised men 17 to 25 whatever um it’s it’s appealing to belong to something that sense that we need to belong and it doesn’t matter how skewed it looks to us to them it’s it’s what they need it’s the way the world should be and it’s really hard to

00:47:26
bring people back from that. We have it and our what we call our rednecks. Um like Alberta is between me and the rest of Canada [laughter] and I we worry about them because Alberta people are actually pretty nice people but they’ve got these under swellings of disenfranchised men. Uh yeah. So I think keep going back to the positive. It’s why we have to continue um the work in whatever way we can of people like Dolly Parton or Steinum whether you knew or not whatever uh feminist women in like

00:48:06
in Europe or Africa it doesn’t really matter. It’s just that not not accepting that acquiescing is the way it should have always been and as you say a temporary blip where women got right out of control. You know we had the power before and they took it away 14th 17th century. So >> in Vienna we now have a problem with Muslim Muslim girls because uh there are certain associations who demand who will well actually they said they will find the parents if they force that girl to wear

00:48:48
a car whatever uh before the age of 14 I believe. So in elementary school, they want her covered up already. And now these certain associations that are [clears throat] promoted by our state and they are paid, they say they will pay the fine for the parents. So there is something terribly wrong uh with our supporting uh this kind of political Islam. And nobody well there are I don’t know how many but there are a couple of districts in Vienna that are totally Muslim already and they have this uh

00:49:33
so they they they check all the women whether they are dressed properly and so they finally uh the police doesn’t want to go there anymore and this is what really upsets at least some Vietnamese but of Of course, our uh our politics, our political systems um support. It’s because of the money. The more people you have in your city, the more tax refunds you get and the more taxes you get. And so this is why we are now Vienna now has more than 2 million inhabitants which it didn’t have a

00:50:17
couple of decades ago and they are Muslim. So what you can if you add one to two and two to four you know where this will go and this is that the women support they don’t the mothers or the the sisters they even insist that the child wears scarf. So it’s And of course they have their own culture. They don’t intend to integrate. They they only watch uh Turkish or whatever s Syrian television. They don’t watch Austrian television. So the only time they speak German is in in the school and

00:51:15
their German is well not very good right now. I was wondering whether they could learn English maybe because English is easier than German and start with English in first grade already. That’s what just what result that came up. Nevertheless, it’s there are many aspects in our politics that don’t really support women. That’s just a fact. >> What? That’s my >> what you just said reminds me of uh what was the the Palestinian woman? I think she died and one of the integral people

00:52:01
um who was >> Malu. >> Aa Malu the libanese woman. >> Yeah. Libanese. Yeah. And she she said at the beginning, I mean it was 2016 or so, she said that we in the west or in the north when it comes to Syria or so that we um don’t we have our values ex implicit and when they come um through the war or when they come, they don’t know our values. They they want freedom, but they don’t know the foundation how it’s built. And so when they don’t know it and we don’t teach them, then they go

00:53:03
by default to their own old stuff which created their not freedom. So, so that we have the um responsibility to to say freedom is based on this and if you don’t want to learn this then then you I mean we have we will have the same situation that you just escaped. So uh so so she was really like very strongly uh promoting us not to be too green and less a fair and ealitarian but to to really stand up for for what we created so that others can be free. We can be free and others can be free. And I think this egalitarian what

00:54:07
uh Ken Wilbur was also talking about in one of the the conferences, he said when you um are egalitarian with um um Taliban or so, he might just cut chop your head off. So this is I mean we we don’t honor like when you’re coming from the red maybe blue but with blue dots then you want to take over and and to allow that I think that’s that’s a a main um one of our yeah faults failures. I think that depends on our sort of um how could you say that when you are in a in a higher state of development but not

00:55:10
yet in integral you don’t see you think yours is the only situ your only right thing and you don’t understand that the others are different so you think what for you is normal also a psychological fact then that is normal and everybody is uh thinking feeling like you and then after a while you think oops >> it’s not like I remember very very clearly when it happened to me this inside you know it was oops surprising that others might not think and feel and so like me so if in an egalitarian level

00:55:48
you are you think everybody’s like I had it here with the Albanian people you know and that was really hard school to understand that my values are not their values and they are really ready to exploit you and [laughter] your egalitarian and giving attitude because they think you are crazy. If you give me these things, I take them, you know, even if you say that’s what who cares, I take it away, you know. So, it was a hard school for me to understand that um the own idea of how life should be is

00:56:23
not shared by others. And if you want to maintain that then you have exactly in a blue way to teach them and with very much strength. And this we as societies in the west we have forgotten not forgotten but not done. And then we are now dealing with the consequences and hopefully we will deal and and and as long as mainly still green and mainly >> and healthy green. Yeah. >> Yeah. then it is no hope for me. It needs to be a push into some more reasonable [sighs and gasps] understanding

00:57:01
and then do the action because sometimes in words they say something like this but the action is not there. These are my five sense but we are almost at the Okay. So, are we doing checkouts? Okay. I wish everybody a good two weeks and uh look forward to seeing you again. Um yeah. Uh hopefully nobody none of our icons die in the next two weeks. Hopefully everybody stays well and uh I’ll pass it on to uh Mona. uh already had my check out, but still uh I’m looking forward to people getting and becoming more reasonable.

00:58:10[gasps] Let’s hope the best and if not oppose. Uh yeah. Okay. I check out will be I’m just the song that just immediately came to mind was teach your children well and that’s what we can do. It’s you know for those of you who have more than um your immediate children or don’t have children just teach children well whether it’s a village doing it or through casual relationships but um two weeks from now we will be leaving Vancouver having visited our son and daughter-in-law and daughter for 5 days.

00:58:54
So, I will hope to join you because hopefully they don’t have an early flight, but if not, um we’ll catch up to you some other time. Yeah, it’s been interesting this call kind of like how to be human. I think we we did that. not not more like how how to do it but just being it. [snorts] Um yeah and um if there was a misunderstanding I didn’t mean that normal like crawling and don’t get what you want is a trauma. Uh um I was just vice versa. I said trauma will end up in the body and um will

00:59:52
shrink our possibility to self-expression and not I mean the normal things in life that [laughter] otherwise it wouldn’t be healthy if if they didn’t had to overcome challenges. So if that was a misunderstanding I want to clear that. Yep. I’m happy to have met you and uh meet you after the after the celebration, isn’t it? >> Yeah. And you will be here. So hopefully we have time to to come into the into the call ourselves. So >> yeah. >> So in case we are not here uh but I

01:00:35
think we will uh you come in and >> we are busy. >> Yeah. [laughter] And just just talk. Yeah. I’m I’m grateful that you are here and that we can talk in this way because it’s really rare. Um not to be offended by somebody else’s ideas. That’s really really really rare and I very much appreciate that. And yeah, that’s work for keeping our freedom despite loving and doing our work. That would be my check out. >> Have a wonderful celebration, Heidi. >> Thank you.

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>> Have a good time. >> Byebye. >> All the best.

### Summary
The video transcript captures a reflective and intimate conversation among a group of women located across different parts of the world—Canada, the US (California and San Diego), Italy, and Austria. They gather to share personal updates and engage in a holistic discussion about health and well-being, focusing on the interconnected aspects of body, mind, soul, and spirit. The dialogue spans multiple themes, including physical health challenges and recovery, mental resilience, acceptance of mortality, mindfulness practices, and spiritual growth. The participants openly discuss their current life experiences, struggles, and insights, weaving in topics such as chronic pain management, emotional intelligence, the role of mind-body connection, and the pursuit of joy and acceptance in later stages of life. The conversation also touches on the psychological frameworks they employ, like Enneagram personalities and the Gene Keys, to better understand themselves and their life journeys. The tone is supportive, thoughtful, and candid, emphasizing personal growth, self-care, and the universal human experiences of aging, loss, and transformation.

### Highlights
– 🌕 A striking full moon and lunar eclipse night set a contemplative tone for the gathering.
– 💪 Physical health updates include exercise routines, injury recoveries, and chronic pain management.
– 🧠 Exploration of the mind-body connection, including recent therapeutic approaches to chronic pain like neuroplasticity and mindfulness.
– 🌿 Reflections on aging, mortality, and the importance of acceptance and presence in later life.
– 📚 Discussion of spiritual and psychological tools such as the Enneagram and Gene Keys to foster self-awareness and growth.
– 🌊 Nature and simple pleasures, like swimming and gardening, are highlighted as sources of relaxation and healing.
– 🤝 The group’s international and intergenerational connection offers mutual support and shared wisdom.

### Key Insights
– 🌕 **The Symbolism of the Lunar Cycle as a Metaphor for Life’s Phases:** The group’s conversation begins with reflections on a lunar eclipse and waxing moon, symbolizing cycles of change and renewal. This metaphor underscores their discussions about physical and mental health challenges and the ongoing evolution of self-awareness and healing.

– 💪 **Physical Health as an Ongoing Journey with Mindful Awareness:** Participants share detailed accounts of their physical conditions—ranging from pelvic strengthening exercises, plantar fasciitis, and the effects of medication, to surgery preparation. Their stories highlight the necessity of balancing activity with rest and careful body awareness, particularly as aging increases vulnerability to injuries.

– 🧠 **Neuroplasticity and Mindfulness as Emerging Therapeutic Frontiers:** A new therapeutic approach based on the concept of neuroplasticity—how the brain’s wiring affects chronic pain—is discussed. This reflects a broader trend in medicine and psychology recognizing the brain’s role in physical health and the potential for mental training and mindfulness to alleviate suffering, which is both hopeful and realistic given structural limitations like arthritis.

– 🌿 **Acceptance of Mortality and Embracing Presence:** Several participants grapple with the reality of aging, loss of loved ones, and their own mortality. This leads to deeper reflections on how to live meaningfully in the time one has left, emphasizing the importance of presence, reducing attachments to material possessions, and “Swedish death cleaning” as a metaphor for lightening life’s burdens.

– 📚 **Psychological Frameworks as Tools for Self-Understanding and Growth:** The use of the Enneagram personality system and the Gene Keys contemplative practice highlights how structured self-inquiry can help individuals manage mental patterns, reduce judgment, and cultivate joy. The dialogue about personality types and shadow versus gift aspects reveals a nuanced understanding of internal mental dynamics and growth trajectories.

– 🌊 **Nature and Simple Activities as Healing Modalities:** Activities like swimming under moonlight, gardening, and boating are valued not only for physical health but also as ways to calm the mind and nurture the spirit. This affirms the holistic view that well-being involves engagement with natural rhythms and environments.

– 🤝 **Community and Connection as Vital Supports:** Despite geographic distances and individual struggles, the group provides a space for empathy, shared knowledge, and encouragement. The candid exchanges about loneliness, mental health, and physical pain underscore how social connection and dialogue are critical components of holistic wellness.

### Expanded Analysis
The transcript reveals an insightful and multi-layered dialogue about aging and well-being, underscoring the interplay between physical health, mental resilience, and spiritual development. The women’s diverse experiences emphasize that health is not merely the absence of illness but a dynamic process involving acceptance, adaptation, and growth.

The body discussions reveal the physical realities of aging, including vulnerabilities like falls, chronic pain, and the effects of medication. Still, there is a strong emphasis on agency—participants actively engage in exercise, swimming, and gardening, demonstrating resilience and care for their bodies. The mention of a new therapy focusing on neuroplasticity reflects a cutting-edge understanding of chronic pain as not only a biological but also a neurological phenomenon, suggesting that mental retraining can complement traditional medical approaches.

The mind section is rich with reflections on the challenges of mental hygiene and mindfulness, particularly the difficulty many face in quieting a rapid or judgmental mind. The Enneagram discussion adds depth by linking personality types to habitual mental patterns and potential for growth, illustrating how psychological tools can provide a map for transformation. The Gene Keys practice, which integrates contemplative self-study with spiritual insight, offers another layer, signifying the participants’ commitment to lifelong learning and self-awareness.

Spiritually, the group confronts existential themes of mortality and legacy with honesty and courage. The acceptance of death is not portrayed as morbid but as a pathway to liberation—“lightening the load” to live more fully. The concept of “Swedish death cleaning” as a metaphor for emotional and material decluttering aligns with contemporary movements around minimalism and intentional living.

The group’s shared experience also highlights the importance of community in holistic health. The presence of friends across continents, the mutual support during difficult times, and the sharing of resources (like book recommendations and therapeutic insights) reinforce that well-being is deeply influenced by social connections.

In summary, this conversation exemplifies a holistic approach to aging and health that integrates body, mind, and spirit. It advocates for mindful presence, psychological insight, physical care, and spiritual acceptance as interdependent pillars of a well-lived life. The dialogue also reflects broader cultural shifts toward embracing aging not as decline but as an opportunity for deep growth and meaningful connection.

### Conclusion
This rich and heartfelt discussion among internationally dispersed women illuminates the complex, intertwined nature of health and well-being in later life. They candidly share physical challenges, mental struggles, and spiritual quests, supported by psychological frameworks and therapeutic innovations. Their reflections encourage a compassionate, mindful, and proactive approach to aging—one that honors the body’s needs, cultivates mental clarity, embraces mortality, and seeks joy and connection. This conversation serves as an inspiring model for holistic wellness and lifelong personal evolution.

00:00:00 – 00:01:55
Huh? The women’s stuff is coming up again in four, but it’s a different four than last time, and then again in September 2025. Oh, and Victoria’s here too. We’ll see what we’re chatting about today, and as usual, a quick weather update from Vienna. First off, the weather’s great—really nice September days. Last night was kinda weird with the lunar eclipse, and I barely slept. So if I nod off, don’t be surprised. Yeah, what topic grabs my attention?

00:01:01 – 00:02:30
Maybe we could just talk about how we’ve been feeling physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually over the past couple of weeks. That’s my suggestion, but I’m open to whatever comes up. Okay, and Dina, good morning. We’ve got this heather-gray cloud hanging over the sky, and it’s pretty misty over the water. That kind of happens around this time of year. But the cool thing is, the grayness actually makes the flowers and some of the colors stand out more.

00:01:45 – 00:02:53
Bright skies mean dull weather, but prettier flowers. Yeah, it’s been an interesting summer here. We’ve had some weird weather, but that’s nothing unusual. It’s been busy. I finally finished school, so the best moment was finishing my last class. When someone asked me last Friday what the happiest day of my summer was, it was definitely getting my final grades and knowing I’m done. Yay! Now, I’m working on my research proposal, just making a few tweaks.

00:02:20 – 00:03:33
Thanks, Victoria. I’m just making a few tweaks, then we’ll send it off to ethics. Otherwise, I’m feeling pretty good, though a bit mortal lately watching some friends pass away. But yeah, overall, I’m doing well. Thanks again, Victoria. Just to add, Reena’s in Canada, Victoria’s in California, Mona’s in Vienna, and I’m in Italy. So yeah, we’re all over the world—totally international.

00:02:58 – 00:04:19
Yeah, so, not much to report except I’ve been really enjoying the full moon—or actually, the waxing moon. It’s been super hot here, so I’ve been swimming at night under the moonlight, which is awesome. The moonlight makes this long strip of light across my pool, and it’s a great way to cool down and relax after a long day. I also get up at 6 a.m. to swim.

00:03:37 – 00:04:33
Before the sun hits the pool, I have to wait all day feeling super frustrated because I’m not supposed to be in the sun. I’m on blood pressure meds that make me burn like crazy—in just five minutes, I turn bright red like a lobster. It’s annoying, but on the bright side, it gives me something to look forward to in the evening. Plus, it helps me get up early in the morning, which I usually wouldn’t do because I’d be too down to even want to get out of bed. But knowing I have that to look forward to helps.

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we had a heavy rain about a week ago. So it’s still quite but you can’t imagine. I finally have to take a photograph. I have one plant of long zucchinis about like this. one plant that has already given about zucchinis like that about 60 and there are others there I think at the end I arrive at about 100 one plant imagine that it’s it’s it has a lot of of manure oh Christine is coming that’s good a lot of lot of manure and it can eat a lot but still I’ve never seen one plant to do all that good Christine that

00:05:15 – 00:06:41
you made it to come wonderful as for the topic body, mind, spirit, soul or whatever it for me it’s fine in the in the last let’s say during summer we could say no so Christine we all have checked in will you do your check in sure um Christine in Carlsbad California um I’m getting ready for a trip to the east coast I’m looking forward to it about about two and a half weeks I’m going going to do kind of a whirlwind. Uh the purpose is I’m going to a high school reunion uh in New Jersey and I I think I

00:05:59 – 00:07:08
mentioned this last time cuz Mona was asking me about where in New Jersey I remember this now. So I’m leaving on Saturday and uh yeah, looking forward to it. It’s nice to be back on the East Coast during the fall. I don’t think we’ll have foliage uh in September. There won’t be foliage yet, but um it’ll be nice. It’ll be nice to see friends and family. And other than that, uh, things are going pretty good. Um, can’t think of anything in particular. Politics is terrible, but that’s nothing

00:06:33 – 00:08:00
to talk about. Uh, yeah, I’m I’m I’m doing well. So, yes. What’s our topic today? Yeah. So, Mona, you suggest what you wanted. I think I didn’t hear another topic except that there is some body uh things and some mind things. Uh Gina positive mind thing uh Victoria body uh so we could we could talk about these things but first I do a little check in um oh no I did ah before you came so it’s fine we just go into the into the topic. Mona, would you like to expand and start?

00:07:16 – 00:08:59
Okay. I’m wondering, should we do first the body, everybody, and then the mental and then uh Yeah. So, we could compare. Well, my body I’m going I have been going to the fitness center now for five weeks and um I still don’t notice much of a change but uh the only thing I really noticed that when you uh there’s one instrument you sit on it and you press your pelvic and there I really succeeded in two uh two more levels. So, uh I’m very proud of myself. Okay. Um otherwise, I noticed that I’m

00:08:07 – 00:09:24
very careful how I walk about because a friend of mine, she slipped on the steps of of the pharmacy and broke her pelvic bone. So, it’s really she has to be in the hospital now. It’s it’s just terrible. and she’s about two years younger than I am and that’s really depressing. Yeah. So, I give on to whoever wants. Gina, you are next to me on the screen. Um, well, I would say it it’s been a quiet time in that um I’ve expected my August to be quite different in terms of

00:08:46 – 00:10:02
my activity level and we haven’t had the activity level that I would expect. um in part because I was doing revisions on my proposal. Um so I was tying myself once again to the desk instead of getting up. But um so I sort of feel like it’s an arresting mode. Um both my husband and I think we’re just recovering from COVID. So that’s slowed us down uh a fair bit this week. But there’s this sort of coming to terms with um trying to get to the point of relaxation again and releasing tension and um

00:09:24 – 00:10:36
hoping that soon I will be able to do that in in in the outdoors because I’m not spending the amount of time especially this time of year when it’s so beautiful. Um yeah, but just that just that caution, that little bit of caution and being aware and respecting the body and taking care of it. So yeah, it’s it’s kind of flaky, but that’s about all I got. I could continue. I’m quite fine. I’m always outside when it is possible and doing things in the garden. Not during the day because it’s

00:10:05 – 00:11:14
too warm. But in the morning 2 hours more or less and in the evening an hour or two hours depends. Still I noticed that my force which I had when I whole day when I worked in the on the ground uh has gone. It’s not I don’t have muscles anymore. And then when I use the machines then I get hurt in the shoulders you know because of this things like the the mowing machines and stuff. But I still like to do all that. So, and I can do it. It’s not that I can’t do it. But then afterwards, h

00:10:39 – 00:12:17
okay. And then I have um some problems with the stomach, but I have um realized that it depends also on nervous on on on psych psychological things going on. When I’m fine, then it’s fine. And as soon as I’m nervous or something like that, then I feel it. So I eat a lot of ha what is it in in in English? A sort of clay you use for inside uh to to absorb the acidity and this takes me along. I don’t take any pills. I take a lot of supplements but no medicine at all. And whenever I

00:11:28 – 00:12:47
go to a to a doctor which is very rare and he might not know me and he says what medicines do you take? None. Because in our age normally people have 10 or more medicines. So I’m glad about that that I don’t need it. And about the awareness of not falling. I had a a guest here. He is here for 28 years. He’s coming. It’s a friend, you know, and he’s always sitting there with his computer, blah blah. And this summer, it rained. And so he came down and wanted to to to save the computer. And he fell

00:12:07 – 00:13:30
and broke three ribs. So it doesn’t depend on age. You know, you can fall all the time and do some uh things which you wouldn’t expect. But uh I’m very aware when going down the the steps and you know over the fields where are all these uh grasses with long uh how do you say when you can get um caught into into these things. So I’m very attentive and also about uh this level we have the wild pigs who are doing holes you know and so you need to be attentive not to to fall into these.

00:12:48 – 00:14:01
So that’s my alto together fine some little things let’s say that’s my report Victoria um let’s see we’re on the body um actually yeah I well I already talked about my swimming so I won’t repeat that it’s not that interesting anyway but um but I do this is a perfect opportunity um I have a very weird and wonderful and crazy doctor, new doctor. Um I I became immediately infatuated with her and now I think she’s kind of a quack. But anyway, she’s still beautiful and

00:13:28 – 00:14:34
fabulous. Um she assigned me as a prescription, literally. It was it was on my chart and I couldn’t make another appointment with her until I read it this book which is called Oh, I’m blurred, but I’ll I’ll write it in the chat. Um it’s called The Way Out and it’s by um a a licensed clinical social worker, Alan Gordon. Um anyway, it’s made a huge splash in the I don’t know if you’ve heard of it, Christine, because it’s um it’s seems it’s circulating widely in the um the kind of

00:14:02 – 00:15:08
the therapy world because he’s a therapist and not a neuroscientist and not a doctor. But he has been researching for decades uh chronic pain and has decided that the major course the major course the major source of chronic pain is um is neur neuroplastic. I think now I’ve already forgotten it. I did read the book but I read it really fast um because I wanted to see the doctor again. Um anyway, she’s following up with with uh therapy sessions. She just did a training in it. That’s how

00:14:35 – 00:15:49
seriously she’s taking it as a doctor. and um she sent a prescription for me to get training with someone who was trained in this. It’s a new kind of therapy. Um and uh and so I looked into it. She wrote wrote the prescription out and the w there’s only one woman in San Diego who does it and she charges $1,500 an hour. So my doctor was really smart. She did the training over the summer herself and now cuz she’s so gung-ho about she really believes in it. So she’s doing it as you you just have four consecutive

00:15:13 – 00:16:20
appointments with her which of course isn’t covered by insurance cuz she’s a regular doctor. And um anyway uh I I won’t go into a long thing because it would take hours. The the upshot is um when I first read the book, I was immediately convinced that that indeed all of my physical afflictions are neuroplastic and all I have to do is train my brain according to the therapeutic model that he established and then I’d be home free. Well, that was in my initial sort of honeymoon phase. Now I’m thinking there are some

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structural things wrong with me like arthritis which um you know I can think positively till the cows come home and I’m still going to have arthritic pain but but there is a lot of I mean what I’ve experienced just subjectively is there is a lot of truth in it and a lot of it’s based on fear. Um and so so anyway it’s really interesting. I’ll I’ll write the the information in the chat if you want to look up the book. But um but it’s funny cuz I didn’t want to buy it cuz I have 11,000 books in my

00:16:15 – 00:17:19
garage and I don’t know what to do with them. So I get all my books out of the library and there were like 250 holds on this book. So it’s like a big deal. And um and then miraculously in the little county library here that the word hadn’t spread spread as quickly. It’s not a brand new book, but it’s relatively new. Anyway, um I don’t want to take up too much time, but but it’s been a really interesting um way of revisiting the body and what how how we relate to it. So, I’ll be quiet now and pass over to

00:16:47 – 00:18:00
Have we all done the body now? I think it’s back to Monia with the mind. Or are we still doing body? Oh, Christine’s body. Okay. I’m sorry. Over to your body, Christine. I’ve had two friends who recently fell downstairs. One wasn’t badly injured, but she’s in pain. The other one was hospitalized and had a head injury with it. So, yeah. Um, so falling is always a concern. Um, I exercise a lot, so I’m physically I’m pretty active, but I I have an appointment this week because I’ve had a

00:17:23 – 00:18:28
pain in my heel, and I’m suspecting maybe it’s a stress fracture. Um, I’ve had it for 3 weeks. I kind of waited and waited and waited. Didn’t want to have to go to the doctor. Uh cuz it seems somewhat minor. Um but after weeks of it not really getting better, I thought I better at least check it out. Um which is weird cuz I’m going to the doctor on Wednesday and I’m on a plane on Saturday. So I don’t know what much that uh is going to help me about that, but I guess it’s good to know what’s going on.

00:17:55 – 00:19:22
Um and then I’m going to have a surgery in January. I will have a a ovarian cyst um removed. And so I’m prepping for that surgery uh by getting some testing done and uh some preop appointments with the surgeon. So um it’s going to be laparoscopic. At least they’re not going to have to cut me open. That’s good. So um minimally invasive in that way. But uh I don’t like general anesthesia cuz I think it does hurt your brain. Um and the older you are, I think the more the more it affects us and our our

00:18:38 – 00:19:56
cognitive functioning. So that’s the part that troubles me the most is just the anesthesia. Um Sanjay Gupta, you probably know who he is, Victoria, the physician. He’s on CNN. Sanjay Gupta, he’s pretty famous. Um he just did a special on chronic pain and uh mindfulness and psychological I mean that is becoming um when I say recently it’s been around for a long time but for some reason there seems to be a resurgence of looking at psychological interventions for chronic pain. And yeah it’s all about how the

00:19:17 – 00:20:39
brain interprets the signals. I mean the brain does the interpreting. Um and it seems he breaks down how mindfulness can help with certain types of pain whether it’s more chronic pain or acute or where that what type of pain it is nerve versus muscle there’s different ways of looking at it but uh yeah that that seems to be a resurgence of people interested uh in this area which is great need needs a lot more work so um what else. Uh, yeah, I’m I’m doing okay. My heel that’s bothering me hasn’t really slowed

00:19:58 – 00:21:23
me down too much, which maybe is a problem. Maybe I should be putting my feet up more and seeing if that makes a difference. But, uh, yeah, I’m I’m stubborn that way. Okay. And that’s my check-in with physical. Yeah, but you led already over to the mind part. Uh so who wants to continue with the mind? What’s the mind doing and what is the connection to the physical and to the spiritual also? I just wanted to jump in for one second to to while Christine um I mean to uh follow up on that. I’ve had excruciating

00:20:40 – 00:21:50
pain in my heel since the beginning of June and um and it turned out it was planter fascitis an acute case and I’m still struggling with it because um cuz I didn’t know what it was and I didn’t go to the doctor and I walked and walked and walked and walked and so um it became acute and um and there’s no cure uh except treatment. I mean I mean rest and ice and the usual stuff. So, I just wanted to put that in now because I I feel so empathetic because I’m I’m really still suffering and it came it

00:21:15 – 00:22:18
came on in actually I think like in May already and because I didn’t know what it was and I didn’t treat it properly. Um which is why I’m doing tons and tons of swimming because um it take exercising the foot because I can’t walk right now. Anyway, I just wanted to alert you, Christine, because you’re going to be traveling and um I’ve actually been using wheelchairs in the airports because um you can and I am in so much pain and um it makes a huge huge difference even for the standing parts

00:21:47 – 00:23:04
like when you’re waiting for security. So anyway, sorry to take up time with this, but I just felt so empathetic I had to jump in with that. Um and it’ll help the mind too of course to have less pain. I forgot to mention that I have been using for three nights now a tape that keeps your mouth shut. So you just breathe through your nose. um it worked but uh I haven’t noticed much difference but uh I’m trying to maybe I’m a little more alert in the morning so maybe that helps breathing

00:22:30 – 00:24:17
through your nose and not snoring um with regard to the mind actually I was thinking about what uh mental exercise I have been reading uh Robert on Wilson. Uh, and he’s sort of postmodern tongue and cheek all the time. And, uh, yeah, it’s it’s amazing how she how he really there’s nothing that escapes his uh, it’s not cynicism, but it’s close to that. And it’s not a book that makes me happy, but I keep I continue reading it. I’ve been it’s a third part of the cosmic trigger.

00:23:23 – 00:25:09
And this one is about my life after death because he somebody wrote that obituary uh and how he continued after that proving that he was still alive. So that is is quite interesting. But he also writes about uh some of his best friends dying and he really mourns for them. So it’s mourning is just uh yeah the grief of losing someone maybe that’s the mental state I’m sort of preparing for right now. Um yeah. Okay, I pass on to whoever wants. Oh. Um, so just sort of continuing on that, um, one of the things I was really

00:24:22 – 00:25:37
looking forward to was the reduction in stress and what the impact of that on me was and what my brain is going to fill up with otherwise. And what I’m finding is that I’m thinking um more along the terms of how much runway do you have in life? And so I’m just again back to dealing with uh the reality of mortality. Uh and I and how our society doesn’t really prepare us for that and when people go and you know, you don’t know your timeline. So I’m like, okay, so maybe we have to be a

00:24:59 – 00:26:09
little bit more active about what does this time look like, even if it’s in small chunks. And so if I was to say, okay, if I’m granted 10 more years, what do I want to do in 10 more years? And it isn’t about um big accomplishments or it’s not anything it was when you were young. It’s more like how do I want to spend my time so I can say I had a life well-lived. and what does that look like? So, I’m just sort of starting in there. And I think part of it is still dealing with my the reality

00:25:34 – 00:26:43
of dealing with my dad’s state is a constant presence because it’s complicated. But I’m becoming very aware of possessions and not wanting to have them and what we leave, what we accumulate over a lifetime and what what it’s like for somebody else to deal with your accumulation. As I used to say when I’m talking to my clients, I’m like, do your own dishes. Nobody you shouldn’t leave any dishes in the sink when you pass away. But it’s it’s really about what do we what are we doing and

00:26:08 – 00:27:22
how do we make um how do we make the reality not something to fear and to just something a little bit more positive. And I go to the Swedish death cleaning as one option of just lightening. How do we lighten our load? How do we free ourselves? How do we focus on other things? and and being healthy and I don’t know it’s kind of drifty but it’s it’s very much a preoccupation for me is this dealing with um moral mortality because many people in my family have lived very long lives um my aunt just passed away but

00:26:45 – 00:27:49
she passed away at 88 same age as my dad it’s pretty good so when I read about somebody passing away at 74 I get a little uncomfortable because that’s a little too close I’m like that’s less than my fingers. Um um so it’s just it’s just a very strange thing and then and yet uh there’s probably something very healthy about accepting it and I think that’s where my head is trying to make that a healthy acceptance. I think I can chime in here. It is not only for death and uh

00:27:26 – 00:29:00
accepting it but I’m working on accepting life and this is not so easy and I’m repassing my life. I’m I’m doing the gene key uh the golden path sequence and there you are prompted to to look into these things and I think oh okay that’s good to to to repeat a little bit what was going on in your life and how did you why did you choose this way and not another way and so on and so yeah accepting death will be when it’s time but at the moment I I tried had to learn accept life and uh somehow

00:28:13 – 00:29:55
go get out of negativity and um go into love. That would be my my next um goal, you know, be more open, be more joyful, be more uh heartfelt, be more uh vulnerable, all these things. Um this is my topic now and it is a connection between mind and and body and spirit or three at the same time. I give over to who wants. Um, Heidi, did you get my email where I sent the transcript and the links to the Maybe we could decide down the road to do that, but um, yeah, I forgot it. We can send it around to

00:29:08 – 00:30:25
everybody. I forgot completely. Yeah, that’s okay. And it talks about the best years of your life. And science tends to show that people who are older are happier than younger people. And they’re also more focused on the present because they don’t know how long their future is. So they don’t dwell on the future like younger people are always making long-term plans and older people tend not to do that. But um enjoy uh they’re just more present focused, which um I think is true for me. Uh,

00:29:46 – 00:31:21
I think my long-term goals mentally are more, you know, keep my brain as healthy as possible. Um, and to look more into uh spiritual uh spiritual avenues. That’s kind of where my mental processes want to want to lead me. Um yeah, but you know, every time I forget a word or, you know, lose track of something or I’ve lost something, of course, it’s always like ah uh my memory. But that a lot of that’s just typical uh for getting older. It’s hard to tell at what level, you know, it rises to something uh

00:30:34 – 00:32:04
significant in terms of how often it happens. But yeah, pay I pay attention to those kinds of things in terms of my health. Um, and I’m trying to, you know, from a mindfulness perspective, I think the other mental thing I’m trying to do is, uh, be less judgmental. I’m a Nog one. So, I’m always evaluating things and trying to reform things and I’m trying to be much less of a NEOG one and more of um an NEOG 7 where I’m an enthusiast and enjoying uh enjoying stuff. So, um yeah,

00:31:19 – 00:32:27
that’s where I am mentally. I have a question, Christine, that’s really interesting because I I’ve never really officially studied the anagram, although I pretended to a number of times. Um, I mean, pretended to in the sense that I during during the pandemic, I um went on virtual anagram retreats, which were only allowed to people that were experienced. I was kind of an impostor. Um anyway, the the I because I never actually studied it. I never was identified officially by anybody, but I thought I

00:31:53 – 00:32:56
was a one. It seemed totally clear to me for a million reasons which I won’t go into, but I think you all know me well enough to guess. Um, and then my teacher, um, I mean, she was the one who was leading these retreats did this spontaneous phone call with me once where she just asked me like a million questions and she didn’t say what they were about or why. And I just answered all the questions and then she said, “You’re not a one, Victoria. You’re a seven.” And she said, “You’re absolutely

00:32:24 – 00:33:40
a seven.” And um, so anyway, just now you said this thing about one and seven. And I just made me curious cuz I I flashed back to that what what the I mean I don’t want to like detour this whole conversation but um but that made me really curious because I remember I remember that I’d forgotten about that connection. I mean what is the connection I guess is what I’m asking without doing a whole session. Yeah. with um when ones are healthy and um kind of being their best selves, they can

00:33:03 – 00:34:20
include aspects of seven. So they balance the seriousness and kind of the the need for a lot of structure and concern about roles and rights and and how things are going, trying to make the world a better place constantly. um they switch to more enjoyment and the seven is the person who’s the enthusiast and enjoys life. And then under stress the one goes to four and the four is kind of that individualist who is feels somewhat isolated. Well, people can pipe in if they think of it differently, but the

00:33:41 – 00:35:02
the four under stress, the one goes to the four and that’s kind of feeling a little bit isolated and feeling like nobody quite understands you. Um, and a need to be kind of unique. Uh, yeah. So, there is a a primary type, but if you’re doing well, you might express yourself in another one of your wings or one of your other types. So, I guess I was doing The four uh the artist the artist yes the artist is the four because I was I would think that Victoria is a four but anyway so I would say Victoria more as a four

00:34:22 – 00:35:35
because I am a four and I’m a self-preserving four that means um hiding the emotions normally while there is the sexual for is like the drama queen Oh, this is happening and this is happening and this is happening. Oh, I’m so bad. Everything bad and this doesn’t work and this doesn’t work. The four is the one who is uh seeing the glass half empty and not half full in just like me. I think you are a four and you are not a seven. I don’t I don’t see you as a You’re a four. Yeah, that’s what I

00:34:59 – 00:36:04
thought. Anyway, well, I just I just realized Yeah, I’m I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to to swerve off the course here, but um I just realized the person I was referring to is my teacher is Christine King, who of course was came here regularly for a while. Um I don’t know what’s happened with her. I I I’ve uh her email address sort of evaporated and and we texted for a while, but even that was erratic. So I hope she’s okay. Anyway, um if she ever gives, don’t tell her I was an impostor

00:35:31 – 00:37:00
for all those. No. Um I don’t see her as a four. I have studied the four quite well and as I know that I am one and I saw all this. I’m working on it to get the half uh the glass half full and somehow it works. It’s it’s working. This is mentally but also physically because the tendency is as soon as something happens with your body then you think oh what can happen what will be blah blah blah and when you um go into it really observe what is going on and not believe what your mind is telling you then

00:36:15 – 00:37:34
normally when you feel into them most of the things when you feel into them they sort of evaporate they uh they can’t stay in a surrounding where they cannot stick on something if you don’t give them voice. Oh, I can’t do that and this is too heavy and this is no and and this no no and I feel like this and know decide to other thing and then miraculously you find out that it is working and then afterwards you are happy. So I I work on it for 20 years. Oh, some result. Uh, this reminds me of one of my

00:36:54 – 00:38:05
favorite quotes of the last months by Timothy Liri who said, “If you want to be happy, be happy.” And he managed it. So he really he was imprisoned and and she still came up with his Irish grin and uh yeah, he decided to be happy. So he was happy. And this is something I’m practicing right now. So, well, it’s like uh Nelson Mandela is such a great example. I mean, it’s phenomenal. I would have the minute I got out of prison, I would have shot everyone in South Africa like indiscriminately. Like, I would have

00:37:30 – 00:38:47
just got this automatic weapon and been done with it. But he came out joyfully and and was like transformed into this amazing being that um yeah, I’m working on it too. I don’t I don’t know. Don’t mention the automatic weapon to anybody, especially in the United States. But I have to say that um that’s for me the scary thing that I I have so much rage and I realize every time I hear about one of these mayhem situations I think there but by the grace of God go I and literally there but by the fact that I

00:38:09 – 00:39:25
never went out to get a weapon which is why you know the whole weapon thing I think is such a crucial thing in our country that um because we all have that capacity to just go go crazy if we’re really enraged, if something really provokes us. And um so anyway, that’s I think I feel like I’m detouring constantly today, so I’ll try to be quiet. You scare me, Victoria. Well, that’s in you that Well, she cannot reach Mona. I don’t I don’t I don’t have a weapon. Um you you couldn’t shoot over the ocean.

00:38:46 – 00:40:02
That’s just too far a little bit. Christine, you wanted to say something. The whole idea of mental fortitude. How come somebody like Nelson Mandela can have such an extreme experience and be subjected to so much um not even just negativity, I don’t know, torture or whatever he had to go through. Uh and it seems like the idea of having a higher purpose, you know, of really being committed, some kind of values that uh help people get through that as well as obviously they have to be mentally

00:39:25 – 00:40:42
healthy to begin with because some people really can get crushed by small things happening in their lives and it’s crushing to them. Um I see this all the time. you know, people who really react strongly to things that are kind of minor setbacks. So, it it’s always fascinating to see how people mentally kind of constitute something as uh a negative versus a positive, something they grow from and utilize on their own behalf or the behalf of the world versus feeling crushed by it. It’s it’s pretty

00:40:03 – 00:41:08
interesting. I don’t have any major answers after watching people. I I’ve just observed it and tried to help but certainly I can’t uh I can’t pretend to explain it. That’s for sure. But that’s where the mind body thing I think that I mean that’s one of the big intersections that um that my therapist is reminding me that if you know because I keep trying to practice mindfulness and I have this rapid brain and I can’t seem to do it and my therapist keeps saying um you

00:40:36 – 00:41:42
know it’s it’s mental hygiene is if anything you know even more important than physical hygiene because that’s that’s how you survive. And and she’s she keeps saying to me, you know, if you can brush your teeth and bathe, you should be able to sit and meditate or be mindful or do some, you know, doesn’t matter what the modality is, but to um to to, you know, to keep the mind well and and and pure, but it’s it’s really a struggle, I think, especially because we have this

00:41:10 – 00:42:22
mindbody bifurcation. Victoria, you have your violin. when you play violin that is can be a meditation you don’t need to sit down if my brain would settle down I said it could be if my brain would settle down but I I um once I actually fell asleep playing the violin and I dropped it um it’s I unfortunately I I being mindful with the violin is a is just like anything else for me it’s it’s still a I have it’s a discipline it’s Um, anyway, that’s I I don’t um I think

00:41:47 – 00:43:17
Gina, Were you about to say something, Gina? You looked you looked I was going to say pregnant, but that’s Thanks. I got I got asked that a couple years ago. I was congratulated. Oh, I went decades of that. And I’m like, yeah, thanks. Um, no. Um, no, I was just thinking about where where how you create those circumstances and uh and I think that the arts is one way to do it. And I don’t really have I have minor talents, so I can’t draw. Um, I have a harp, but I haven’t played it since co. Um,

00:42:32 – 00:43:31
but there’s something about calming down that reptile brain. And um, that’s my challenge as well. And so I I try to tell myself, you know, you’re on this little blue planet. It’s going really fast and it’s spinning around the Earth. And what you’re thinking about right now doesn’t really matter as you’re going around the sun. Like don’t drag everything with you. Like be like a meteor and let it burn off. But let the dust stay behind. But it’s a challenge.

00:43:01 – 00:44:09
And I I think, you know, once you find something that can give you that, it can help settle down. I used to do medit a lot of meditation. It was really great. But I’ve I’ve switched into task orientation. And I think that um that’s why when we go out in the boat, it’s so much better because all you’re really doing is looking at the water. And maybe you’re lucky and an oracle will show up or an eagle or something, but just that that environment where you’re compel don’t feel compelled to

00:43:36 – 00:44:46
do. And I think that’s where I would find the peace. Like I I sometimes find peace in doing like if I do this then I’ll relax. Um but it’s almost it’s almost like this barter like okay you can relax. Go sit in your swing if you do this first. So, it’s a interesting trade-off, but something that I’m looking forward to trying to address while I’m doing my thesis is just finding that balance because having more control over my life. I’m going to stop working with her

00:44:10 – 00:45:04
Coast Guard. I don’t have classes. I just quote just have to work on my thesis. Um, but I think there’s going to be something about getting that control back over how you spend your day and how you spend your time. And like my husband said, “Oh, just, you know, Gina, 9:00 the good time to walk the beach.” And I’m like, “That’s a really good idea. We should definitely walk the beach cuz it’s just down the street. It’s easy.” But making the time for that versus

00:44:37 – 00:45:52
always being task oriented. And I think that’s uh that’s how you can get our our minds more quiet. At least for me, I can switch in here because I think I’m on the way. I am not task oriented anymore. I do the necessary things. I discover that I’m have very little resistance anymore against the things I need to do. I sort of enjoy doing them when I need to do them. And if I don’t need to do them, I don’t do them. And I ever more relax and do other things like the the occupation with the

00:45:14 – 00:46:30
gene keys is perfect because it’s not only mind, but it’s also contemplative. It is a spiritual work. Uh and I sometimes I enter into a different state of consciousness and then I’m sorry Heidi I missed what you said that that does that for you. I’m sorry. The gene keys Richard Rad gene keys the keys which are working on your genes and unlocking your potent your your your gift. Let’s say the idea is that there are three levels of energy. Uh the shadow level, the the gift level, and

00:45:52 – 00:47:33
then there’s the so-called city level. The highest uh the highest um development of your of your potential. Yeah, potential. But it to you, you have uh 11 uh main gene keys for you personally. And it’s based on Ejing 64 uh ways of wisdom and it’s really a way of of being in the mind and being out of the mind at the same time and I can only uh recommend that but you need to read it not like an scientific text and then it it wouldn’t work and I do it now for about three or four months almost every day. contemplation

00:46:43 – 00:48:16
you you think back you come back to that ah now you are in the shadow of for instance intellect is a shadow from uh which gets to clarity and then uh to to impeccability this is the city um and when you I also noticed when I’m very calm then things come out of my mouth which are very clear and very to the point but when I’m not calm then I and the mind is is spinning and this is the the shadow level of this gene key you know so I can only recommend that that’s really really really interesting but you need to put some

00:47:29 – 00:48:55
time in you cannot just read it and then forget it you you but you’re doing it it’s self-study for you yeah it is a self study uh thing you can talk with other people about it Yeah, but you have to study yourself. And one of the things is as I said to revisit the the the parts of your the years of your childhood of your young years from 1 to seven is developing the spiritual uh uh uh IQ I know esq I don’t know what the Q means in this moment. something like IQ quotient is it quotient quotient

00:48:12 – 00:49:31
uh the intellig IQ what does the Q mean in oh like IQ so it’s a EQ emotional intelligent they put other things besides the IQ is emotion it means quotient the Q means quotient quotient yeah the spiritual one it’s the most difficult one it’s it’s created between zero and seven years the emotional one is created in your when you between 8 and 14. Um, and the the IQ the intelligence one between 14 and 21 more or less. This is the idea. And so you revisit this part and and see how it is.

00:48:52 – 00:50:18
This is one of the task you are doing. No. And then you see aha that has formed there. Aha. And so then find moments in your life and then it’s spinning itself. So, it’s not a teaching. You have to figure that out by yourself. And I can only recommend it. That’s interesting. That has the seven years. Um, my late husband based his entire art historical work on seven-year cycles. and he was he was constantly scoffed at by colleagues until they actually tested out all of his theories, you know, with other methods on I mean

00:49:35 – 00:50:44
he was an art historian. That was his thing. But um and a connoisseur um but but he he was always right. And so after a while they had to think okay maybe you know maybe it’s an unorthodox way of arriving at these conclusions but but the conclusions so that’s really interesting because he based everything on sevenear cycles. Yeah this is not not very unusual because there are many many uh theories let’s say who are based on sevenear cycles. So even old uh let’s say indigenous uh teachings are based on

00:50:09 – 00:51:25
seven years cycle that’s nothing strange but in this case is uh because it’s uh connected with a development of your of your intellect and your spirituals and your emotion uh development. So that’s why I said it. I need to say I’ve got to leave. I’ve got a 10:00 client that I have to get ready for. Um, but I will not be here in 2 weeks cuz I’ll be still on East Coast. But maybe in four weeks we can if Heidi is still interested, she can send out the transcript and the link and

00:50:48 – 00:52:22
everybody can maybe study it for maybe not next time but the time after that. Okay. Good to see you, Christine. Um Oh, Heidi, you’re muted. I wanted to ask her to do a big check a quick check out, but she is Oh, you were you were talking, but you were muted for a second. So, happens even to me after all these years I’m doing this and it happens. Now, Mona is gone. Okay, there she is. Yeah, it was it is um an interesting period of time and we are concerned with important topics all of us maybe

00:51:45 – 00:53:26
different uh aspects of it but yeah I’m very curious how it how the future will unfold without too much expectations let’s just let’s see how it works how it works out that would already be my take out and I’m I’m really faith faithful is maybe the wrong uh confident confident that it will work out well sooner or later. Well then that’s the glass half full Heidi. Yeah. uh my my check out would be that uh I’ve been become very much aware um that we are all task oriented and

00:52:37 – 00:54:16
conditioned and I now really practicing being in the here and now. At my age, it’s easier because I just like to sit and Oh, now I’m in the here and now. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And of course I do have a lot of task and they usually take up a lot of my energy but still um I don’t feel guilty anymore for just being. So this is what awaits all of you I hope. Okay, that was my check out and see you in two weeks. So, I’ll say my check out is I have a very good friend coming on Wednesday and

00:53:33 – 00:54:40
she will she will help me um be less um focused on the things I have been focused on. So, she’s a it’ll be good. She’ll be with us until we go to Europe when we go to Europe on the 25th of this month. So, um, when you’ve got a friend around, you can’t ignore her when she comes all the way here. So, that’ll be good for me. That’s my check out. Very good. Thank you. Victoria, you have gone. You do a check out. Oops. You don’t see her anymore. So, we do it. Ah, here she come.

00:54:10 – 00:55:23
Oh, there she is. She just moved. Okay. I’m sorry. There’s a lot of noise in the house right now. I had to move to another room. Um, my checkout is what is my checkout? Um, oh, now it’s dark in here. Okay. U my actual checkout is just that I I really um I’m so grateful for this group and um I’ve been feeling really lonely lately, which is ironic because I seem to be surrounded by people all the time, but that might be the quintessential existential loneliness. Um, so I’m just, yeah, it’s

00:54:47 – 00:55:46
just wonderful to see you all and um, hope to see you next time. I’ve Yeah, I think I can see you next time. I’m I’m I’m embarking on two residential Buddhist retreats that I I didn’t realize they were so close together. Um, I’ve never I’ve only done something for three days, which I hated. So, this is really daunting. These are going to be a week each. So, um, anyway, um, but I think I’ll see you before I go away. And if not, maybe I get lost in the forest somewhere. If you never see me again, I

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don’t have the dates in my head. Anyway, thank you everybody and um good two weeks. Good time. Byebye. Bye bye.