Presencing and the emergence of – what?
with Monika Frühwirth and Tom Christensen
Streamed live on May 2nd 2017
00:00 Introductions and preliminaries, the dance metaphor and we dive in with comments by the guests and Heidi, a half minute of quiet meditation.
08:14 Tom takes control, “What can we do with our being.” Opening the “world of wizardry”.
10:00 Monika reports on her meditation period and the feelings of just ”being” together, memories of IEC gathering a week earlier.
13:40 Tom asks about the different kinds of presencing: the “15 year old” type and the “adult” type and demonstrates
16:30 Heidi asks just what presencing means in this context. Monika uses Sharmer’s Theory U and is urged to become more concrete.
18:37 Tom shows what it is by contrasting it with what isn’t, like the stories and monkey mind of our younger selves, anchored in past and future. It takes narrowing that attention to the present and holding it intentionally. It doesn’t work for all situations.
22;57 Mark asks if some dream/non-dream fluctuations are examples. Is it alpha or gamma states he’s describing? Monika wonders how people who have never experienced it could be lured into trying it.
25:26 Tome shares a test to see if it’s happening, starting with someone you’re angry with. But how do you calm your anger?
27:00 Other suggestions to make an object of your emotions, can you think and feel about your thoughts and feelings which requires at least “modern” capacities of consciousness. Now it’s OUR playground!
29:40 Tom explains how presencing solo is different from doing it in a group. Heidi uses the example of making music together.
32:40 Tom looks into the special qualities of music: melodic (linear) intervals and harmonic (present) intervals or chords. Monika comments on “distance” or perspective.
35:29 What presencing requires of us in each interaction.
36:05 Monika asks what we would like to “presence” right now? Tom wants collective intelligence for problem solving, just as we are doing right now, with inquiry, not answers. Heidi continues. So does Tom who comments on the phenomenon of “other” than just on “additive” in a we space. Heidi makes an analogy with the parts vs. the whole of the human body.
39:30 Monika asks how many universes (“wholes”) are there? What is the common denominator for a collective but divided mind? Tom points out that there won’t be a collective mind with different universes as he tries to look closely at Monika’s “verbiage” because collective implies agreement. He suggests “going meta” to examine areas of agreement. Total agreement is not necessary
42:58 The need to suspend the “discriminating” mind for a while in order to enter a we space. A judgemental, fearful or separating mind cannot enter. This can’t be “imposed” on anyone, unless someone really wants, for example, the “Truth” to be revealed and imposed upon them. And that includes 70% of the world!
45:00 Monika shares from the recent IEC regathering, reminding us of the compassion and responsibility we have for our impact on others (including the 70%!) “The Dharma Door” The importance of being humble.
47:40 Tom reflects on a past life experience and how he is using that experience. Tom’s current live as a “trickster”!
50:12 Heidi reports on a “we space” experience on the Women Matters” series and the involvement of the whole body, not just mind and heart. Tom tells a story about Heidi and me and we are flattered.
54:25 The shortcomings of being an angel! Knowing less and less!
55:30 Encouraging Tom to develop his theory (in another show) of a new level of development that is emerging as boomers grow old and “graduate” from the post modernism they’ve been immersed in since the 60’s.
57:22 Monika brings up “recalibrating” collective consciousness. We go on to what next, how we met, going forward, more topics to explore, thank you’s and goodbye’s.
Monika is speaking out of the experience of 7 decades of an intense life which was dedicated to the evolution of consciousness in herself and others.
Monika is a true leader. Thanks to her constant efforts the philosophy of Ken Wilber was introduced and spread in Germany. Her way of adopting leadership was – and is – translating innumerable amounts of texts, publishing articles, editing print media and creating the German Integral Association together with some like minded people.
Monika was one of the first women in the German-speaking Integral scene – which at first was very “head biased” – the enthusiasm about a brilliant theory. She introduced into the Integral Community the “Feminine Integral Consciousness Field”, a self-organized group of women who tried to translate the theory into their everyday life practice. My friendship with her began with being part of this group of women and their attempt to find a FEMININE WAY of bringing the Integral WORLDVIEW out into the WORLD.
Tom Christensen “Tom C.”, is the editor of and one of the authors in two books of Gravesian-Spiral Dynamics case studies. He provides Gravesian trainings and writes often on this topic, and others. Tom has braided his life over the past 40 years with constant strands of business, art including painting, sculpture, poetry and piano, regular engagement in sports & gardening, and raising a family. Tom C. is married, and with Stephanie they have 7 children, and 4 of the most charming grandchildren in the world. In years past, Tom C. served as an orderly, nursing assistant, and the first hospice counselor at UW-Madison Hospitals. This phase left him with a wider and more comfortable appreciation for the extremely wide range of end-of-life experiences for people. This background with dying, combined with an appreciation of the possibility of lifelong learning, has led him to welcome each day of his new, more obvious, aging phase, as another opening for discovery and adventure. “No one has ever lived THIS life before. I wonder what’s next?!”