Women Matters

 A series with women in the Wisdom Factory

Live conversation from Friday Jan. 12th 2018

New Year, New Ideas, New Goals?

In this episode the women of WOMEN MATTERS  discuss the possibilities which we can envision for 2018:

How can we improve our own life and at the same time become ever more able to meet and constructively change the present state of the world?  What resources do we need to develop in ourselves and which ones do we already have, ready to go? How can we act meaningfully in the world to help to get back into a state of balance?

This is the first episode in 2018 of WOMEN MATTERS in The Wisdom Factory.
The original topic was “New Year, New Ideas, New Goals?”
We spoke about the experience of Luna as a facilitator for children in South-East Asia and at about min 30 we came back to the everlasting quest: male and female, masculine and feminine, culture or nature..

Find the timestamps below (to find the location of what we talked about in the video)

Our  present team: Luna Ceovelli, Monia Fruehwirth, Gertraud Wegst, Heidi Hornlein, Tammy Lea Meyer


Women, Men, Culture or Biology? and more

Women Matter Januar 2018

00:00 Introductions of the participants

4:25 Luna talk about last year: children facilitation work, how she entered into that area which brought her to South-East Asia

10:30 Questions to Luna around the children’s work and the “17 global challenges”

12:00 Anna as a child therapist jumps in. Gary Davis: “world citizenship”. Project for children.

13:40 A life Long Learner: “that should be taught in schools!”

15:00 Welcoming Gertraud.

16:30 Anna about education: children learn things which doesn’t empower and benefit them. Grandson is home educated. Self-directd education. When children chose what they want to learn, they learn better and more quickly. Compulsory education is negative.

19:00 Heidi: Schools exist only little more than 100 years, and still none in some parts of the world. Different skills need to be taught like listening, seeing etc.

20:27 Gertraud: School: How to know how to learn, go along with people, take on responsibility etc. but not so much knowledge. Being able to DEAL with the knowledge, discernment etc. Her book about appreciation for leaders in business is bought by many teachers who use the tools for appreciation.

23:00 Tammy: The 17 principles (development goals) we need to address as a global community. Teaching kids how to think and how to learn.

25:10 Luna: Unpacking her own “little child” to continue to grow. An ongoing journey,

26:02 Monia: Curiosity as greatest blessing in life. Talking to women nourishes her.the difference:  Listening,  not push and manipulate, not want a certain goal (male feature), female part wants to BE and appreciate BEING. Speaking from a different generation viewpoint.

Unifying male/female might not be a good development. Polarity between the sexes is very important.

29:27 Anna. Women always had to struggle that little bit harder to make ourselves heard. Which pulls us together. Women tend to work on themselves more easily/naturally. We are interested/curious also about ourselves and becoming who we really are. Femine Power has been missing in the world: we know that we are needed.

31:55 Heidi: Women are more curious about the inside, while men outside. Talks about our previous conversation “Men, women and Power”. What directs our interests/passions?

33:12 Monia: what is FEMININE POWER

33:40 Take responsability for ourselves and stand up for yourself and get out of victim role

34:35 Anna: Every woman is different. Make distinction between men and women doesn’t work for her. Patriarchy is ruling the world, something is missing: caring, not saying: only women care, that’s why it is tricky. Maybe because our biology or because being forced to stay at home: the history has made us more concerned with people

36:52 Heidi: addition to Feminine Power: be comfortable with uncertainty and go towardss goals with feedback loop and course corrections.

39:00 Anna brings up again the cultural determinism. What we think is feminine or masculine comes from the traditions of the cultures. If men and women were totally free without any pressure, we don’t really know what it would be like: the most important thing is the freedom to be what we WANT to be.

39:00 Tammy is uncomfortable with the gender binary. Shares an insight of herself: Feeled different when work came from woman or men: lessening of woman inside herself although she doesn’t identify with these norms in heart or mind. Social structure is a huge part of who we are. Lays a mask over we might think. She challenges her assumptions. We have the power to change what we believe. Test our assumptions and perceptions. Blaming oneself – embedded in a world which is not working as it should.

42:13 Monia to Tammy: we unite the male and female approach: male decisiveness and ying/yang flow with appreciation

43:05 Gertraud: Naiobe Way (?) did research on boys: Change in puberty when they stop being “feminine” and become “male” which results in loneliness etc. They are born with the same loving care for others.

45:58 Heidi: humans are about fighting. Boys wouldn’t be useful soldiers if too sensitive. Schools were meant to create obedient young people, first boys, later also girls

47:45 Luna: How do you feel in your own being. Biological roles were different, men protect the family and to hunt. Boys and girls are treated differently as babies. Men’s stress goes up with eye contact. Eric ? talks about bush people in Africa and eye contact which is offensive “to be eaten”. Now we are save of the moment to moment danger, but still the biology. Today: do I feel more masculine or feminine? What do I wnat/need to express. Feminine Power = feeling empowered with my natural proclivity of being a nurturer.

52:12 Tammy: being able to have moments of quiet to feel what needs to be expressed next. Feminine principle is wholeness, the bod of knowing, connected together, A lot of information to process! Take it all in and hold better without carrying too much. It is a lot to take in in the world of multiple crisis and find ways to not be overwhelmed.

55:00 heidi acknowledges Gina in the comment stream and reads her comment. About the difference in brain development in males and females.

55:38 Monia to Tammy: She switched the word “power” to “facilities”

56:00 Tammy responds: she works on her facilities, “good catch”

56:50 gertraud answers to Gina: We are different in our hormone system and it is not right to through out everything with CULTURE. It might be EVOLUTIONARY and not necessarily culture when men needed to protect women etc. Important to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Honor the differences. A different energy when men come together.

59:25 Tammy thanks Monia: help each other to see things in a broader view. She works on the places in herself which don’t feel fully empowered. Speaker holds power which is supported by the listeners. Support each other to make visible where we are limiting ourselves and see things differently. Tammy thanks Monia for her feedback. A dedicated learner on multiple levels.

1:02:15 Monia. Thank you. Brain of women can swithch quicker. While we communicte we can be aware of the whole. Each of us has so interesting stories which we never come to share. Will we get to know each other better, would that change the group?

1:04:09 Luna: imagining ancient times when we would sit together and share. She would love to know us more fully.

1:05 Gertraud: Appreciates that we are all together at the start of the year. Tells about her visit at her daughter who has a 4-month old son. She says she can feel the difference. He came out and was a BOY, she didn’t expect that, the difference of male/female babies. Wishes us a year full of miracles!

1:07:10 what are miracles?

1:07:50 Anna: was touched that there was a listener. It feels lovely to feel connected with a wider group. She feels very nourished with the conversation.

1:08:41 Heidi: we are creating something together. Appreciation to be able to come together in 5 countries. Invitation to Paradiso Integrale.  We have a lot to talk


Named resources:

During the initial presentation by Luna:

17 UN Goals


The Organization Luna worked with
Eric Edmeades speaking on relationships where he speaks so well and with humour to the differences between men and women 

Gertraud mentiones

Niobe Way: A Study of boys at


About Tammy Lea Meyer 

Tammy Lea Meyer

Tammy Lea Meyer

Tammy was born, works and lives on unceded Coast Salish territory, in a community home in South Vancouver, Canada. A media experimentalist, social change agent and systems thinker, Tammy is passionate about democracy, the development of a people-centred economy, and supporting the emergent shift of social and economic systems. Tammy believes that through collaboration and conversation, we can knit together the initiatives that already exist to design a deeply integrated commons. Tammy is passionate about holding space and fostering the voices of community members to share their concerns, their hopes, and their ideas for a more just and sustainable world.
You can check out her work on Medium and youtube.

About Heidi – Adelheid Hörnlein 

Heidi Hornlein

Heidi Hornlein

A native German and living in Italy for the past 30 years. I have an MA in communication science, was a professional singer, voice teacher, voice therapist before I was licensed in Gestalt Counseling and Transformative Coaching (Approach: ‘Feminine Power’ and related). I am also licensed as transformative leader. I am holding seminars and courses, live and online. My passion is 1:1 coaching for whatever difficulties people encounter in life, especially regarding relationships, but not only. AND I am passionate in doing live events like this one and HELP OTHERS TO BE CONFIDENT AND SHOW UP in public to bring their message into the world.

About Gertraud Wegst 

Gertraud Wegst. Portrait.

Gertraud Wegst

Gertraud was born as the middle one of 7 children in Germany though her heart swims in international waters. Master coach, trainer and change midwife with experience in the mission of being source of apprecitation for people and organizations she believes that the people’s past and present are rich with positive experiences and insights and can be an infinite source for development, performance and success, if they are listened to carefully and with appreciation. Supporting this process with her colleagues of The Appreciators in personal and group coaching and training for leaders and in companies and with various co-operations in networks, communities of practice up to the Unity in Diversity Appreciative Inquiry process for midwifing a system of influence that nurtures celebrates, and energizes work that mattters and elnivens makes her heart sing.

About Anna Harris

Anna grew up in London, BA Sociology, then worked with autistic children, and trained as a child psychotherapist. I worked for 15 years, but could not accept the power relations implied, or the attempt to shape a child to ‘fit in’ to an insane society. My discomfort in unequal power relations, either within the family, school, workplace, institution, or government led to following a spiritual teacher for over 25 years, where I felt more at home. My interest in child rearing practices was rekindled with reading Alice Miller, http://www.alice-miller.com/en/the-truth-will-set-you-free/ which led to discovering the work of neurobiologist Darcia Narvez. http://darcianarvaez.com/about  My article, http://www.sublimemagazine.com/healthy-birth-healthy-earth explores the link she describes in her book ‘Neurobiology and The Development of Morality’, between experiences of birth, infancy, and later mental illness, giving rise to many of the problems humanity is facing today. Retirement gives me the freedom to follow my real interests, changing society to more truly reflect the love that created us and that provides the abundance we have around us.

About Luna Ceovelli

 Luna Ceovelli

Luna Ceovelli

True Health Warrior, Wellbeing Ninja – Her own journey through a life-threatening parasitic infection and learning to recover and heal body mind and spirit has led her to the work she does today.  Luna is the founder of ONE Daily Wellness and co-founder of the Women’s Wealth Network in Vancouver, Canada, she is a Certified Holistic Health Coach and Nutritional Counsellor.  She works with clients in private practice coaching into the areas of reframing personal health, addictions, and directly addressing systemic underlying root cause issues.  She believes in personal empowerment first and the body’s divine wisdom and innate ability to heal.  She speaks on our intrinsic and intimate connection with the natural world; sacred living water, deep ecology, our indigenous roots and returning to right relationship and stewardship of the land and ourselves.

Luna is committed to a life of learning and continuos development, recognizing that every individual client and person she meets is also a sacred teacher.  In this way she wishes to remain rooted in her humility, her human imperfections and her humble offering of service.  She’s been on the front lines of transformation, knee dropping awe inspired awakening and dark nights of the soul have guided her to an engaged and continuous dialogue with what is.  Deepening her practice with Family Systems, she is a student of Bert Hellinger’s Systemic Constellation work through her masterful teacher, Jan Hull, She is also a student of Acharya Aman, YogaJyoti and the Vedic Jyotish Counselling System.  Luna lives and works on the unceded territory of the Coast Salish peoples, whose land and elders continue to deeply inform her work.

About Monia Fruehwirth

Portrait of Monika Frühwirth

Monika (Monia) is speaking out of the experience of 7 decades of an intense life which was dedicated to the evolution of consciousness in herself and others.

Monika is a true leader. Thanks to her constant efforts the philosophy of Ken Wilber was introduced and spread in Germany. Her way of adopting leadership was – and is –  translating innumerable amounts of  texts, publishing articles, editing print media and creating the German Integral Association together with some like minded people.

Monika was one of the first women in the German-speaking Integral scene –  which at first was very “head biased” – the enthusiasm about a brilliant theory. She introduced into the Integral Community the “Feminine Integral Consciousness Field”, a self-organized group of women who tried to translate the theory into their everyday life practice. My friendship with her began with being part of this group of women and their attempt to find a FEMININE WAY of bringing the Integral WORLDVIEW out into the WORLD.