How is “Getting Older” and “Ageing” seen and lived in North Europe?
with Bettina Hartmann
Streamed live on March 24th 2017
00:00 Introductions and mechanics
5:25 (or so) So what was it like growing up in liberal yet traditional Denmark? Bettina starts with a look at her great grandmother who regretted getting older and not being able to clean the windows every week! Working hard! Lutheran culture, structured life consistent for centuries, forms continue but rituals persist.
9:35: What she meant by “going out into service” after confirmation. Adult at 14!
11:05 Believing mother without biblical support, atheist father, no pressure on her, but confirmed at 14 while already not believing, beginning a 15 year spiritual dry spell because “nobody told me you can believe in another way.”
13:14 No knowledge of other possibilities so she went into nuclear physics, even though it didn’t answer the ultimate questions. “Complete”sexual equality in schools and believing in equal possibilities from the beginning. Hyper equality for a while until the 1990’s when some femininity was “rediscovered”.
16:40 Contrast with North America. Bettina again looks back to her childhood.
18:40 Outnumbered 10 to 1 in her lyceum classes in math and nuclear physics, growing attention from the boys in her classes
20:00 Conscious decision to balance her masculine with feminine about age 30 which led to heart opening, but difficult to work on all “three” bodies which led to her first Integral Theory experiences. Feelings failure, of “personal lack”
24:00 No, I didn’t see any “personal openings “ in my family before me. But lots of social life. Unquestioned life, they had no interest in my dream life
28:00 These patterns of having insights continued in my work life, finding the language that others can understand
29:50 Denmark doesn’t seem so progressive after all? Green without passing through Orange? “We’re actually Amber but with shared Green values (held) in Amber.”
32:40 Comments by watchers
33:40 Heidi asks Bettina what she sees ahead for herself. Bettina’s not sure. She doesn’t see “why we’re not already there” (at our potential). Mental barriers! The Steve Jobs story. Importance of shadow, habits, what we learned long ago.
38:20 What Denmark needs next? Copying American Orange doesn’t work too well and may be going into true Green, but refugees have shown some of our fears. Finger pointing at oneself to a fault. We and also right quadrant problems. Need openness to spiritual considerations.
43:45 insights of Geert Hofstede which showed Danes were at the top in autonomy and Japanese at the most subordinate to authority.
45:24 Back to ageing: Is there ageism in the culture there? Not so much as Americans who need to look 30 when you’re 60! But some mandatory retirement ages. Not much ridicule, expected to manage in home until physically impossible
48:30 Against isolation the concept of visit friends, for companionship. Some communal living arrangements, not ONLY for older people.
52:09 Good bye’s, thank you’s and the after show video chat.
The chat after the show
This is a casual conversation about the topics of the main show: aging. We talked with Bettina Hartmann from Denmark and
Georgi Stankov from Bulgaria. we learned about the history of Bulgaria and the present state of mind in that country, generally and also in the context of aging
Watch the main show live and in replay HERE: https://thewisdomfactory.net/aging-in-scandinavia-with-bettina-hartmann/
Bettina is CORE MEMBER of our discussion group
Bettina Hartmann, Heidi Hörnlein, Gertraud Wegst, Monika Schmidt and Tammy Lea Meyer discuss what a feminine contribution would be in public discussions. Feminine qualities can be expressed in women and men alike. We women need to be aware of them and embrace them more as our natural way of expression – instead of trying to copy masculine ways of being. The ideal would be a complete integration of both qualities and the ability to chose which one is appropriate when.
Our core team: Monika, Tammy, Heidi, Gertraud and Bettina