00:00 Housekeeping and introductions
05:45 Martin’s new book, from his integral roots and the importance of levels, the one way street

09:00 Revealing one’s authentic self and the possibility of seeming arrogant

11:30 Mark relates to his experience with differing levels and meeting Heidi (now with 5 years together), shared purpose

13:50 “Looking at each other, but also out into the world together.  Andrew Cohen’s and Eckart Tolle’s influence.  

16:38 Couples have joint purposes at every level: 1. biological, 2. quality of life seeking or hedonistic (1 and 2 are involuntary)

20:19 Next, level 3 (eudemonic) serving a higher purpose

22:30 Next, expression of creativity: level 4, genetically based on 4 genes, one for each quadrant, but with varied expression, epigenetics, soul or transcendental purpose

26:20 Heidi brings in a viewer’s question: Can people at different level create a viable relationship together? Martin postpones a response and continues with development of the “supra-sexual” self which is as sexy as sex itself!

28:20 A new attractor which fits well with older age when sex itself is not so demanding.
30:15 Quality of life when single vs, as a couple and another viewer’s question leads the discussion to love as expressed by the 6 chakras: the 5th when male language is predominant and the 6th when female wisdom is accepted or rejected (not totally hard wired by sex!)

36:30 Martin is advocating a new form of love where people become equal and opposite co-creators at all their levels, including the 7th transcendental level.  The primary love becomes what is created between the two of the couple. No more reciprocity, tit for tat, but a leaning into a common co-creation, represented by the 7th chakra.

38:20 We explain as we’ve understood it, with comments and corrections by Martin.  And how does one find such a partner?  Not necessarily in close physical proximity!  First show up and then naturally partners will find each other. The couple is the next procreative level of development, beyond individual development.

43:10 It still requires similar value systems/levels to work successfully.

47:15 How growth by challenges(men) and grace and acknowledgement (women) can work…and not work!
50:25 Answering questions, being truthful from the start.

54:19 Onto ageing questions, differences in the relationship of society to the individual vs. to a couple, some unfair gender differences “built in”, opportunities to “clean up” are more possible in later years and as a couple.

59:05 Co-creation matters more in older years.  Why?  There’s actually a moral reason that is an attractor, not a push.  Beyond “autonomy”

01:01:20 “Tales out of school”: Perfectionism. The master/slave relationship but the ideal goal is not to be alone and perfectly autonomous. No models about how to do this in later life.

01:04:20 Martin asks for feedback as his book nears completion: martin@integalrelationship.com   Skype name: martinucik
01:05:20 Some final advice from Heidi!

01:08:00 Thanks you’s and good byes