0:00 Introduction

1:22 The book “The Simpol Solution” Uk and American editions have different covers

2:00 the american edition is distributed by Random House

2:30 The longer Bios of our guests at thewisdomfactory.net/the-simpol-solution

2:50 John introduces himself

4:02 Nick introduces his difficulties to get going and says some words about his background  (psychotherapist) and how he met John’s work and the process of his understanding how important that is.

8:05 Heidi explains her history with Johns “Simpol” idea

8:45 The book as a realisation that only few people get the idea right away. With picking up Ken Wilber’s books he realized that the understanding depends from the level of consciousness of who is listening. He wants to help people from where they are at to shift from nation-centric, to integral world-centric level with the book.

11:02 Nick*s interest: how does dissociation and denial work when it operates on a cultural level. “Destructive Global Competition” and how this affects the political sphere + Strong identity inhibits creativity in the political realm

13:20 John Simpol = simultaneous policy. The big problems in the world: Only one single barrier to resolving them. No nation can move first because they lose their competitiveness. Solution: Sufficient nations need to implement policies at the same time.  And no nation would suffer competitive disadvantage.

15:55 Global justice movements come from a nation-centered worldview: as if single nations could do anything alone. Simpol: your government CANNOT act, even if they wanted to. You need to act from a world-centric point of view.

17:00 Mark: it is so simple, why hasn’t it happened?

17:10 3 aspects to Simpol

• Simultaneous implementation of sufficient nations of a series of simultaneous policies
• Multi-issue policy agenda. If you handle only one issue isolated, losses and wins cannot be balanced
• The voting aspect: sign on to the Simpol campaign. Competition between candidates is increased, win-win situation for politicians and parties become less important. “2 votes” for you. Simpol transcends and includes your national votes

22:07 Mark reports about our attempts in Italy to find email addresses of candidates.

22:35 John: hopes that with more support of people connected with the political world they will get the info. And Simpol doesn’t only work in election times. Candidates like the campaign because it doesn’t harm the competitiveness

24:41 What do politicians NOT love?

24:15 John answers the question: they don’t reject the idea, but don’t feel ready for it.

25:54 Heidi asks Nick: how would people get on with the new responsibility?

26:00 Nick responds to the difference between politicians and their party system. Voters: it needs a small amount, But there is the psychological problem: the denial that governments are impotent – which doesn’t fit with the postmodern idea of the guilt of our governments. Rebels against authorities don’t want to know that and dissociates this fact

30:10 John: The feeling that anything you do as a voter doesn’t make any difference. That’s why John focuses to national elections. 10% of UK Parliament have adhered to Simpol while the “activists” were very few. Now your vote can be the most powerful tool for political justice. Give up the VICTIMISED position but become ADULTS as voters

32:41 Heidi about the difficulty of giving up victimism and adopting responsibility

32:52 Nick: all the struggles that people had for the vote. Let’s not throw the vote out with the bath water, but find a way where it can work, like SImpol. We have to resolve the problems (e.g. inequality) in a new way

34:48 Question from Tom Habib in the live audience: have you started the process in other countries? In USA exists a website but not yet any volonteer to drive the campaign forward

35:50 Heidi’s idea of the US system

36 John: the polarisation which goes on now almost everywhere is a direct consequence of global competition. Voters feel disempowered because of the destructive global competitions which have a tribble down effect on national politics. Disempowerment leeds to go to the extremes. They fail to realise that the problems are not national, but global. The problems cannot be solved on the national level. Both poles have to realise that they cannot do anything at the national level.

38:40 Heidi: accusation: “the bad guys”

39:10 Nick: identity issues goes very deeply. We know only surface identity. Personal psychological problems are going on. Instead of fighting Simpol can snowball with only few people working on it.  Competition energy you need to use only few times in our lives, otherwise co-operative energies. Nations concerned with competitions cannot see the bigger picture.

42:02 Heidi: people don’t vote anymore for parties, but for those who have signed Simpol?  What will happen when you have been “married” to a party?

42:25 People need to go through tragedy before they know that they need Simpol. We are in a new set of rules. Nations can still do things within nations, but not on the super-national level.

43:35 John: Doesn’t agree with “tragedy”, but people can writer to their deputies. But people have to let go of the nation identity and fantasies. We have a global economy, but governments is national. A governance gap – needs to be brought up to the global level. Simpol allows that.

45:25 Nick: we don’t need more institutions and skills. We already have global collaboration (e.i. Flight control). In the book people are led through the 5 phases of grieving, because we have to give up our idea of helplessness.

47:35 John: example of “bargaining”: fires in factories in Bangladesh. Ask for better conditions, molti-nations council signs up, but on the bottom there is the drawback. Those treaties are good, but they don’t do strategic things for collective action which is needed.

49:40 Heidi reminds to come to an end, What can EVERYBODY do all over the world.

50:03 John: in a democratic country: sign on to SIMPOL. You don#t need to have a political background. “Help out” = talk about Simpol to family, friends etc. up to the management team in your country.

51:15 Nick: Simpol is not just another organisation or another party, although it has some organisational structure. SIMPOL is a process, a tool, an application. The community is not something like a party.

52:15 John: After signing up they forward the info to their members of Parliament.

52:40 Heidi asks for clarification

53:40 John answers: Simpol is about global politics. The candidates are expected to sign the pledge. Joining Simpol is joining people on a more world-centric level of consciousness and you find people to talk to who think more globally.

56: Heidi: what about non-democratic countries?

56:22 John answers. The momentum will grow first in the democratic countries. Johns idea about the United Nations.

58:20 Heidi: You need people in many different countries as volunteers?

58:43 John: need people to feel this in the depth of their souls and get engaged. Little by little

59:35 Mark: Thanks for being able to listen more than speaking.

1:00 Heidi introduces the closing

1:00:50 Nick: Psychohistory at www.woundedleaders.uk/psychohistory

www. simpol.org