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Young Women and Feminism with Quinn Yang

Heidi writes

I was a teenager when feminism showed up as a strong force in the western world. I didn’t participate actively, but I, definitely, was influenced by the rebellion of women who refused to stay at home any longer and take care for cleaning the dirt which mostly others, husbands and children, created.
My response in those times was trying to be able to do what normally is done by men. In childhood I had suffered from not be taken seriously by my elder brothers, so now I would show them that I do have value. This started with studying Maths and Physics at University and by doing all sorts of men’s work like cutting grass and trees, putting tiles on the roof or on the pavement, building kitchen furniture and using land machines which wore me out quite a bit. I realised that most men have just more physical strength than I had – whenever it happened that someone came to lend me a hand.

This was not the only occasion where I realised that I am not a man, even if I tried very hard. But it took a long time until I understood that I was not on the right track at all. “Equality between men and women” doesn’t mean that we have to become the same, in neither direction. It means first of all that we women come to a deep self acceptance and knowledge of what it means to be a woman and that we bring our shadow to light rather than asking men to become the way we want them to be.

In my conversation with Quinn Yang, a woman of less than half of my age, I realised that the self-understanding of women is still a work in progress, far away from having provided any new model for being a women in this world. Quinn is sincerely digging into this inquiry, she started at a time when feminism already had derailed into a power struggle and war on men. She realises that this can never be a way to live a life together with the other sex. We had an interesting conversation in which I found myself speaking from the perspective of an elder who has passed many of the necessary experiences and failures and is now speaking from a meta perspective. It is not that I want to teach anybody what I believe is going on between men and women, but hopefully my shares can inspire young women to not end up in despair and isolation because they believe that they need to give up on relationships with men.

Videopost for July 1st, 2020

Recorded in April 2020

0:00 Heidi intro

0:30 Quinn introduces herself. Evolutionary psychology and Ken Wilber

1:40 Win-win of men and women

2:10 Heidi’s life review regarding men-women. Questions for Quinn who read Wilber with 15.

3:15 Quinn’s mother, a philosopher, reads translated books into chinese: Grace and Grit

4:20 This book saved people from suicide.

4:45 Quinn’s interest in “Expectancy Value Theory”, Maslow’s hierarchy of needs – is one line of development in Wilber’s theory.

6:45 Quinn’s interest in human motivation.

7:10 Heidi’s generation started at a different point, feminism in the 60ies/70ies as Quinn’s.

8:15 How Quinn sees feminism. She also follows Teal Swan: men: dissociation, women: manipulation. Gift of feminism: women can meet their own needs. Attempt of independence overrides the interdependence. 

11:05 Chinese society is catching up. About her family; divorce and feminism, cancer, suppression of needs.

12:30 Women try to be like men – which goes against the own nature. Women’s happiness in different levels of development.

14:00 extremes in the consciousness development, how to integrate them? Women need to integrate their interior fragmentation. The need of valuing ourselves as valid humans oppressed by “patriarchy”. Need to self-healing first.

17:05 Structure changes needed for women to feel equal. On all quadrants important. Taking responsibility for your part in the game, needed to be done by women!

19:40 The first women fighters  in feminism suffered most, her contribution is crucial. Internal work is the easiest route. Depending on typology, what route you will take?

21:20 Quinn’s perspective, mainly from Psychology and women’s perspective. Advocates for the value of traditional feminine perspective as well as the feminist perspective. Mindfulness for growing up, waking up, cleaning up. Embracing all the parts. Marrying both.

23:28 About female manipulations which is still going on and needs to be seen by the women in themselves. The role of sexuality and behavioral styles. 

25:10 Heidi refers to the “Metoo” movement where the recognition of the own responsibility is missing! Diane Hamilton said once, this insight is only possible in second tier, integral awareness.

26:40 Pre-trans fallacy.  The need of shadow work needed in feminism.Heidi:  Psychotherapy: starting to realise your own part in the game. “Feminine Power” training.

31:25 How to find the right coach/therapist?

32:32 How is the motivation? “Can I do it and do I want it?” Heidi’s experience:external quadrants, not necessarily respecting the inner quadrants.

34:20 Self determination theory. Need conflicts. Sacrificing the need for belonging to self-esteem need and vice versa. How to marry them.

35:30 The question for Quinn’s personal experience. The story of her childhood. The villain and the victim/saint. Classic manipulation. The bad experience held her closed for a long time, and when she opened up she fell into the same trap. Awareness of the own part is the starting point.

40:00 Relationships are a learning for awareness and change. Motivation to do the work for oneself – also for all women! That’s life.

42:25 Quinn doesn’t know yet the solution. The feminine way doesn’t look for solution, but just go in the right direction and see what happens, what needs to be let go and what to integrate.

44:00 experience is collecting data and learn from them.

Quinn writes about herself

My name is Quinn Yang, a Ph.D. student studying human motivation and development at the University of California Irvine. I am interested in Ken Wilber’s theory of human consciousness and it’s evolution. Some topics I am exploring include levels of consciousness & the procedure of transcendence on the hierarchy, theoretical integration, male female dynamic, racism, loneliness vs. connectiveness. I am open to learning from different perspectives. (Personality type: INTP. Consciousness level: I think orange, green and yellow are all present & taking turns in dominance currently.)

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