
What brings us energy as we are ambiverts?

Heidi writes
In this conversation we realised that many things have changed for the better in our lives and that we feel energized again, individually, for various reasons. At a certain point we realised also that we would define ourselves neither introvert, nor extravert, but “ambivert” – an interesting concept which seems to describe everyone of the 4 participants at Women Matters.
The conversations took place in November, 2025
### Summary
The video is a reflective and intimate group conversation among four women—three Germans and one Canadian—taking place in early November 2025. The discussion centers on personal experiences, emotions, and reflections connected to themes of joy, interpersonal communication, language, energy management, life transitions, and relationships. The participants share updates on their lives, health, and emotional states, emphasizing the importance of meaningful connection, self-awareness, and balance in social interactions.
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### Key Themes and Insights
#### 1. **Seasonal and Environmental Observations**
– The conversation opens with weather reports from Vienna and Canada, noting the transition into late autumn:
– Vienna is chilly but pleasant, with leaves falling and nature’s activity noted (birds, squirrels).
– Canada experiences gray skies, windstorms, and falling leaves.
– These observations set the backdrop for reflections on change, cycles, and moods influenced by seasons.
#### 2. **Life Transitions and Health**
– One participant shares updates about her husband’s cancer treatment, describing it as “not bad, but not really good,” indicating partial success but ongoing challenges.
– She highlights the shift in their lifestyle, moving away from exhaustive professional engagements toward more manageable and creative pursuits.
– Another participant mentions dealing with hip problems and the emotional impact of shorter daylight hours and approaching winter.
#### 3. **Joy and What Makes Life Meaningful**
– The group explores what brings them joy and a sense of aliveness:
– **Travel and nature**: One woman recounts a transformative trip to the south of France, appreciating the sea, colors, food, and the break from work and schooling.
– **Community and social interaction**: Another shares her experience of communal olive picking with friends, emphasizing the joy found in shared work and conversations.
– **Friendship and deep connection**: The importance of quality time spent with friends, engaging in meaningful conversations rather than superficial small talk, is repeatedly emphasized.
– **Personal growth and reflection**: Participants mention reading, energy work, and self-reflection as sources of contentment.
– **Routine and stability**: Comfort is found in daily routines and acceptance of life’s limitations, including health.
#### 4. **Communication Styles and Social Energy**
– The discussion delves deeply into personality types related to social interaction:
– The concept of being neither fully extroverted nor introverted but somewhere in between is explored through terms like **“ambivert”** or **“ambervert”**.
– Participants identify with preferring **small groups or one-on-one deep conversations** over large social gatherings or parties.
– The energy required for socializing is a significant concern; shallow or repetitive conversations drain some participants, while meaningful topics energize them.
– The importance of **matching conversational depth and language** to have fulfilling interactions is highlighted.
#### 5. **Language Barriers and Multilingual Communication**
– Participants share challenges with expressing themselves in languages other than their native tongue:
– English and Italian are used alongside German, but none feel as fluent or nuanced as in their mother tongue.
– The difficulties in finding the right words and expressing subtle meanings create a sense of handicap and frustration.
– The idea that **speaking in your native language while being understood by others** is ideal is discussed.
– Non-verbal and energetic communication is acknowledged as important but still requires verbal clarity for safety and confidence.
#### 6. **Energetic and Intuitive Communication**
– There is discussion about communicating on an energetic or intuitive level beyond words:
– Some participants experience a form of telepathy or instant understanding, especially with close partners.
– This non-verbal connection is valued but also met with skepticism due to its “woo-woo” nature.
– Speaking “from the heart” without overthinking words can lead to more fluent and authentic communication.
#### 7. **Personal Relationships and New Beginnings**
– A participant shares a positive update about a new romantic relationship initiated via an online dating site, describing a strong energetic and emotional connection.
– The relationship is seen as a new chapter offering potential for shared projects and personal growth.
– The discussion touches on evolving concepts of love and companionship, moving beyond traditional notions of romance toward deeper friendship and mutual understanding.
#### 8. **Reflection on Aging and Life Phases**
– The participants reflect on their aging processes, changing social needs, and the acceptance of new life rhythms.
– One participant looks forward to becoming a grandmother, expressing joy mixed with cautious optimism.
– The notion of slowing down, savoring moments, and adapting to new energy levels is a shared theme.
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### Timeline of Main Discussion Points
| Time (approx.) | Topic/Content Summary |
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| 00:00–02:30 | Weather updates from Vienna and Canada; seasonal changes noted. |
| 02:30–05:00 | Reflections on recent travels (France); language learning challenges. |
| 05:00–08:20 | Health updates; cancer treatment outcomes; olive picking and communal activities. |
| 08:20–12:00 | New romantic relationship; personal joy and hopes for future projects. |
| 12:00–17:00 | Importance of reconnecting with friends; concept of ambiversion/amberversion explained. |
| 17:00–23:00 | Social energy management; conversation preferences; challenges with small talk. |
| 23:00–30:00 | Language barriers in expressing oneself; multilingual communication issues. |
| 30:00–38:00 | Energetic communication; the role of intuition and speaking from the heart. |
| 38:00–45:30 | Closing reflections; family updates; positive outlook despite challenges; goodbyes. |
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### Definitions and Comparative Concepts
| Term/Concept | Definition/Description |
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| **Ambivert / Ambervert** | A personality type balancing introversion and extroversion. Enjoys social interaction but prefers smaller groups and deeper conversations over large parties. |
| **Energetic Communication** | Non-verbal, intuitive exchange of feelings and understanding beyond spoken language, sometimes perceived as telepathy. |
| **Terministic Screen** | A concept describing the specialized language or jargon used within professional or cultural groups that shapes perception and communication. |
| **Small Talk** | Light, superficial conversation often used to initiate social interaction but can be draining or unsatisfying for some. |
| **Nuance in Language** | Subtle differences in meaning, tone, and connotation that are difficult to convey in a non-native language. |
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### Bulleted Highlights
– **Seasonal changes influence mood and reflection**, with autumn’s falling leaves symbolizing transition.
– One participant’s **husband’s cancer treatment is stable but incomplete**, leading to new life priorities.
– **Travel and stepping away from routine work** provide mental reset and joy.
– **Community activities, such as olive picking, foster connection and shared purpose.**
– The **quality of social interaction matters more than quantity**; deep conversations with few people are preferred.
– **Personality types between introversion and extroversion** are recognized as a natural and valid social style.
– Multilingual participants experience **frustration and limitations in expressing complex feelings and thoughts** in non-native languages.
– **Energetic and intuitive communication** is valued but still requires verbal clarity for confidence.
– New romantic relationships can bring **hope and motivation for personal growth and joint projects.**
– Aging brings a **need for slower pace, meaningful interactions, and acceptance of physical and emotional changes.**
– Participants emphasize the **importance of self-care, energy management, and setting boundaries** in social contexts.
– **Shared language and “speaking the same language” metaphorically and literally** is crucial for successful communication.
– The group values **reflective conversations that allow for mutual understanding and feeling heard.**
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### Core Concepts
– **Balance in social interaction** (ambiversion) allows for meaningful yet manageable engagement.
– **Language proficiency impacts confidence and depth of communication** in multilingual settings.
– **Deep connection and trust foster joy and well-being**, more than busy social calendars.
– **Energetic sensitivity requires managing one’s own energy and social exposure carefully.**
– **Life transitions, including health challenges and relationship changes, shape priorities and sources of happiness.**
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### Keywords
– Ambivert, Ambervert
– Energetic communication
– Multilingual challenges
– Deep conversations
– Social energy management
– Life transitions
– Cancer treatment
– Olive picking (community activity)
– Personal growth
– Language barriers
– Aging and slowing down
– Friendship and connection
– Intuition and telepathy (in communication)
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### Conclusion
This video captures a heartfelt and nuanced conversation between women navigating life’s complexities in late 2025. It highlights the interplay between external changes (seasons, health, relationships) and internal states (joy, energy, communication preferences). The dialogue underscores the value of authentic connection, self-awareness, and adaptability—particularly in balancing social energy, overcoming language barriers, and embracing new phases of life. The concept of ambiversion emerges as a key framework for understanding social needs, while the challenges of multilingual expression remind us of the subtleties involved in cross-cultural communication. Ultimately, the participants find joy in meaningful relationships, personal reflection, and the hope of new beginnings.
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women matters and it’s the very early November 2025 and we are coming together three Germans and one Canadian today and maybe we talk about after these days which were dedicated to death the last few days we could talk about something nicer and let’s see how it develops and as we normally do the weather forecast from Mona from Vienna. The check in can can be without weather forecast. Um yeah, in Vienna the weather is slightly more chilly but still very nice and everything is blooming on my balcony
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so I’m very satisfied. Um the leaves have been falling. We have heaps of leaves in our street. It’s uh and uh this afternoon I was looking outside of the window and the there was quite a storm and everything was moving and the leaves were falling and the birds and the chill the squills. There was so much going on just looking outside the window. I felt tired. It was it was uh yeah I had to avert my look and go inside because right now I’m very much with Advita and uh Rain is a clear consciousness so pure
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consciousness and I’m just dancing around it and uh sometimes I think I get it and then I’m not so sure anymore. Anyway, um yeah, as a topic, what makes what brings me joy or what makes me feel alive would be a nice topic. I pass on to Gina. >> Well, um greetings from Canada. It’s a bit of a gray day here, but it is 8 degrees. Our leaves are also falling. We’ve had a few quite wild windstorms, so all sorts of stuff coming from the trees. Like we have a big cedar and all the brown parts come down and then we
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have to shovel them into a green bin. Um and there’s a lot and I say we but actually somebody else does all that work. Um but it’s 8° so it’s not bad but the wind is a bit cold today. Uh uh I have missed you. I have, as you know, I went off to uh the south of France and it was transformative uh because uh I got away from uh sitting at my laptop all day and working all weekend and too much school. So, I did a little school, but mostly what we did is just enjoy the town. And we were in a
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town of only 19,000. It’s not a tourist town, although there’s a tourist attraction on top of the mountain, but just walking the seashore in Khan or in Nice and just really absorbing the beautiful colors of the the med and what people were wearing and delicious food. So, um just remembering that there is something other to life other than work and school. Um, >> so that’s my that’s my >> fringe. >> Not as well as I should, not as well as I used to. My husband does uh much more
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bang bang. Uh, but it’s hard in in this part of Canada because we don’t hear French here. We would in Ottawa, but no, it’s losing. I’m still working on it. I still do every day a little practice, so I’m not going to give up. But uh it was I would say the transition this time was a little harder because um my ear was not as attuned because I hadn’t been hearing it as much. Um and so even when people were talking I’m like do I know what they’re talking about but in polite conversation easy
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conversation when it’s on topics like uh groceries, ordering meals, that’s easy. Yeah, that’s the easy stuff. But uh yeah, I think I’m actually more disposed to Italian for some reason. So, I’ll pick that up again. Not that I’m Italian. Okay. Is everybody checked in or we’re going over to you? Uh Heidi or Got >> Do you want to make a summary? >> A summary. How did my husband say after six months of treatment? He says it’s it’s not bad, but it’s uh how did he express
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that? So it’s it’s like it’s it’s not bad, but it’s not really good. So, so he um he’s in a um I think the treatment worked for his cancer. Um but there’s still lumps there and so it’s not complete. Uh but he’s in a very good mood. Barry has a lot in his mind to to do and find some new ways of making photos and not the the exhausting part like going to conferences and be there for 10 hours and five breakout rooms and things like that. So, and for me it it reduces what I have to
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do and and so I’m more into looking what yeah business-wise and so yeah it’s a transition time and uh but I’m very very happy where we landed. So in March it didn’t look at all like that. So >> that’s that’s my >> and I have some hip problems. >> Oh yeah, >> I have to deal with. But otherwise I’m fine. And uh it’s very dark here and yeah sometimes it’s sunny, sometimes rainy. So, it’s very mixed bag here. >> Winter is coming and it’s dark at 5:00
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more or less. And I don’t like that at all. >> No. And the last weeks I did a lot of olive picking. The my a friend of mine, Dutch friend, he organized first here around the people who have olive trees and we picked together sometimes in 12, sometimes even in 16 people. Today I went there but only for two hours was a new group all Dutch people who come to to work and they were 12. We were 12 and then normally it’s a nice meal together. Nice. No, I mean simple. No, because you have to work and not to to cook. But
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it’s always nice to when you pick on the trees, you have somebody nearby and chat a little bit. Then you go to another tree and chat with somebody else. And it’s really nice. It was a good experience. Normally I do it alone or with my helpers. They were here too. But then we went also to to to pick other people’s trees. So it was it’s a communal event and and really nice. I liked it this year. But my friend he is really for two or three weeks he is doing everything organizing everything.
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So it’s quite heavy and the oil is good despite we had a lot of flies. So but uh oil is is good. So that is more or less for me finished and on Thursday I will fly to to England you know and to visit my new man. So I’m really happy about that and uh yeah we will see how the relationship develops. It has developed in an incredible way. From the very first day on there was this total understanding without knowing each other but energetic wise also that was good really good and now we will see the
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nitty-gritty stuff how we can manage that. But um >> where did you meet him? uh he found me on the Martin Uch dating site where which has been fused with another dating site and I actually never went there and one day I got the notice, oh somebody has uh written a message to me and so I entered to see what it was. It was not him but in this time he found me and said oh next year I come to Italy to where are you in Italy? I want to to visit you and I told him and he has a friend quite near here about an hour and
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he had been there several times and and I said why don’t you come earlier and you know and then we immediately went on zoom and you know you you’re smiling happy with me >> ab you know it’s it’s never too late for Yeah. >> Or even a really good like. >> Yeah, I think it’s still a good like and a good being together. I don’t even know anymore love is. I learn a new way of love without >> trying to to cling too much and and you know all these things. Very good
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friendship I think. And uh how it we will see. It’s just I feel and he too we feel together like at home let’s say you know and if this is love or not who knows I mean it’s to be I I don’t know anymore what love is when I think about my any type four um um patterns you know that’s definitely not that this romantic you know that’s not it So we will see how it develops anyway for the topic what makes us be uh happy or well I have this impulse now you know a new perspective and I’m I
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feel really like now if he comes and stay here will not be immediately we could create something together and so so far I was on on hold all the time you trying to maintain the surrounding and everything but not without perspective what to do and so we might we might do something whatever you know but together yes alone so there’s now the chance to develop something in the outside world and in the inside world for sure too you know that’s me checking Nice to see you ladies >> and in a good mood everybody of us isn’t
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it that’s really good so what has happened I know from you you said it already and I said it I think what is our good mood uh reason what is yours Dina you say France and what is >> um I would say uh just coming back and you know just having that quiet time uh I mean uh my son and his daughter our daughter-in-law came over that was very nice but I would say coming back and making the time for friends so uh because of my uh focus on school my friends have been waiting quietly in the background And
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then I reflect on just how many people have been waiting and how I’m going to approach each week to include that friendship again. And so um I have a good problem in that uh I have many to the schedule. And so uh and when we get together we do nice things like we go for a walk. Um I have a friend who’s coming and we’re going to have lunch here together which I’ll make after this. uh but just to be quiet and just to enjoy each other’s company and to be grateful and to look out and be be
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grateful that well we’re in Canada and we’re grateful for what we have. Um and just to just stay focused on on the the beauty of what we have. Yeah. Versus what we don’t have or conflict. Yeah. And it’s much easier to do having reset that button in France. Much easier. I just when I’m uh listening to you, Gina, um reconnecting with friends, this is quite a good thing. So, I had a new friend coming over yesterday and we spent five hours together and did some energy work and a walk and nice. Yeah,
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she came for breakfast and stayed till Yeah. a lot longer. in um I just read an article so I I have to go a little detour um about somebody said he he realized that there are not only extroverts and introverts but also ultroverts or something like that. Yeah. So, and when the description came, I really felt myself like that’s me. So, extroverts, they love company. They love to be out there in the world and introverts more by themselves. But I love to be with just a few people or one person and and have very intense and
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deep conversations and and I there I’ve been to um uh Thihar Ekka I don’t know if you know him but this is a big guru in the in the personal development world and I have done the training with him and then there were thousand people in one room and they all did the same. So like bar big five and blah blah blah and and I just my whole system shut down and and I was I had to sit down and breathe an oxytocin breath I I showed you already. So to get so adrenaline is is is toxic for me and and
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so when I read that article I thought oh that’s interesting. Yeah, I I think I’m I’m that person who who who needs like another environment and doesn’t I mean I can be by myself but I really enjoy company but not party. It’s not that I don’t go go to parties but like yeah. So, and that’s that’s having deep conversations with one or a few people. That’s what really nourishes me and gives me joy and why I come back for six years now or so. Yeah. No, 16 we started it.
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>> I thank you. Can you say what it is? Tell me again the name and because I feel very much connected with this uh >> ultru verted other. It’s other it’s not intro. It’s not uh extra. >> Can you share the article then? That would be nice. I think I don’t know if I find it back but yeah >> it would be nice because I feel the same thing to today being with all these people is nice but then I want to go away I want to you know be on myself and have conversations like we have and as
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soon as there are 20 people >> ambervert >> so like the word amber a m are a m i >> v e r t ambbervert >> m >> yeah that’s >> there’s lots of uh lots of uh descriptions of it so ambervert yeah it’s the balance I guess >> I always thought I was introvert but then in the certain test they said I’m a little bit extrovert Good. And I thought, >> yeah, it doesn’t fit neither. So, yeah. >> So, it says just as it’s easy cap.
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You’re like, you like social gatherings, but you don’t necessarily start the conversation, but you’re happy if people come and talk to you. You’re more likely to engage in long conversation. You don’t like being alone for a long time, but you also get tired of going out regularly. You know how to blend in really well with both introverts and extroverts, and you have close friends. Good, good, good, good. Yeah. >> Why not? Amper. What are you >> I mean I think uh well I you know I’ve I
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I probably fit more into that category because I think I was I have sort of uh I think I’ve uh reaching out personally, but I think a lot of that has been taught I’ve been taught to do it. And so it’s not necessarily natural. It’s an a skill, but it I can be very shy at times where I don’t even want to pick up the telephone if I don’t know the person. So, I I like this. I like this in between. I think it’s just a little bit more comfortable. And yeah, so we used to always have really big parties, big,
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but then you never talk to anybody. And so, now I like to limit them. And even for our Thanksgiving, we had eight and all very interesting people. But there was three conversations going on in our living room. And it was this crossing. And I’m like, we all moved around and we all managed. But it was it was interesting uh that you had to make the effort to talk to the other people because there wasn’t a single conversation. Uh, but I compared that sort of intensity to uh, which was long because it was
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dinner, but I will compare it to the limit of a 30-minute conversation I had with my sister-in-law. And I’ll just say through magic, cuz I like magic and energy. We talked in that 30 minutes about exactly what we needed without telling the other person what we needed. And it was um it was about slowing down and and and not having to do things as quickly as you did in your 20s and 30s. So that drive sort of like post France um uh just to allow your yourself the time to enjoy what you’re doing versus feeling
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you need to rush through it. and uh she is a very very extrovert very aa personality drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive so for her that’s a learning and for me it was we’re just sort of coming to terms with our we both worked for IBM at one point just coming to terms with this new level of what is our balance what is our flow what is and in 30 minutes we we we tied it up and like wow short but very
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very um connected I’d say. So yeah, that’s my recent experiences. Yeah, I was just wondering how much we communicate on an energy level because my daughter, she’s now about 50 as well and she came back from Karinia for my birthday and with lots of uh good news, exciting news and she was up to here and She talked and she talked and she told us and and after five hours I was sort of exhausted because just by listening to her um everything was nice and and everything was really great news but um
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it’s on an energy level I’m very very s I’ve become very sensitive uh in the last past few years and so I really try to to feel what is the energy, what is doing me good, what is too much and so I I sort of retreated. I said I just need a rest and went to the other side of the room and sat there in my recliner and just listened to them from the distance which was okay. Um so I’m very much watching out now for myself which I have done most of my life as you said we had parties like h and I love doing it and
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and uh walking around and not really communicating with anybody just uh small talk and I couldn’t do any small talk in German I could only do it in English because when we were in a diplomatic circle circus and when we came back to Austria I sort of groped around I I had no small talk available and I didn’t want want to talk to people on a deeper level because well I hadn’t met them for nine years most of them or some of them and now I just know how to balance So, uh, it doesn’t upset me anymore if
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somebody doesn’t go deeper or it’s okay. Everybody according to his it’s reality tunnel. Let’s put it this way. Um, yeah. What brings me joy is uh knowing that I have a very good book waiting for me. That really brings me joy when I don’t and then I I now have started cleaning out. I’ll show you now. You won’t see. Yeah. Some there have been all these all these we had to take them down and uh now I’m going through them and there is material in them. Oh, it’s it really
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uh and I I found out that I just bought something or copied something and then put it away and I felt like I I knew it but I didn’t know it. So now I look at it and say should I go through it once more? No, that’s too much too much energy. And um yeah, maybe I should send it to Heidi. It’s about the towel of love. So one one of these uh documents. So I really well maybe it’s because I see how I developed what I went through and how I how it influenced me and how it didn’t. So
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quite interesting. Quite interesting. But it’s challenging and it makes me tired as well. So I really try to keep my energy level constant and watch it very very carefully. That’s what I do. And yeah, it’s uh a partner of my daughter told me because I complained that when I go to the fitness center, I crawl to the fitness center and I don’t really enjoy being there. And he said, “Yeah, it’s like brushing your teeth. You don’t really want it, but once you finished, you feel much
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better.” And that’s true. So when I when I go back uh I walk faster and I know I have the feeling I have done something for my muscles and uh so it’s it’s very nice. I like to talk to him. He he sort of encourages my daughter to talk. I don’t know why he does it and she doesn’t notice it that he encourages her. He just gives her a prompt or a feedback and she goes on and yeah, it’s amazing. But they have been together now for I think 20 years or so. So they are really a good couple and
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they just bought an apartment and she changed uh her business uh and now is is working now um on the higher level and what she was trained to do. Uh so that’s city planning actually it’s uh or the landscape planning and she gets better salary so she’s really yeah she’s fine and I shall become a grandmother in June and uh right now they call me momma so which is um and then m Monica um mom >> and I said I refuse to be called muri because once you are a great grandmother it’s UI and I don’t want to be called M
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because it’s a cat’s name. >> So that’s what yeah it’s easy and and of course you can’t help worrying that everything will be fine but I try to keep that down and just send positive vibes to >> due date in two weeks. H no June June June next year >> June. Ah >> cime is just this tiny >> but she’s so pleased and of course he is very pleased. That’s the funny thing because up to now he sort of was holding back and now she he just can see >> see the belly. Yeah.
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>> That’s funny. Yeah. >> Yeah. This brings me joy and as such uh everything my husband’s condition yeah it’s uh it will won’t get better but at least it keeps stable now and yeah and we have a routine what we do every day together and what we don’t and yeah and he has accepted my Zoom dates because he asked me every day do we have Zoom Take a look at my calendar. It’s all circled in pink. So that’s my zoom. Yeah, it’s very nice. It’s very nice to reflect on oneself
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because I usually don’t do it in that way. Yeah. >> Okay. Heidi to you. >> Yeah. I wanted to go back to the ambi word because I was very bad in small talk. I really didn’t want to do it and I refused and so I got quite isolated let’s say especially from people here. Now I sort of have learned to do small talk but it is tiring me for if it takes too long. I have to go and then I I really feel that I draw back you know and I’m not interested or at least I think I feel that I’m not interested and
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deep conversations and and I there I’ve been to um uh Thihar Ekka I don’t know if you know him but this is a big guru in the in the personal development world and I have done the training with him and then there were thousand people in one room and they all did the same. So like bar big five and blah blah blah and and I just my whole system shut down and and I was I had to sit down and breathe an oxytocin breath I I showed you already. So to get so adrenaline is is is toxic for me and and
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so when I read that article I thought oh that’s interesting. Yeah, I I think I’m I’m that person who who who needs like another environment and doesn’t I mean I can be by myself but I really enjoy company but not party. It’s not that I don’t go go to parties but like yeah. So, and that’s that’s having deep conversations with one or a few people. That’s what really nourishes me and gives me joy and why I come back for six years now or so. Yeah. No, 16 we started it.
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>> I thank you. Can you say what it is? Tell me again the name and because I feel very much connected with this uh >> ultru verted other. It’s other it’s not intro. It’s not uh extra. >> Can you share the article then? That would be nice. I think I don’t know if I find it back but yeah >> it would be nice because I feel the same thing to today being with all these people is nice but then I want to go away I want to you know be on myself and have conversations like we have and as
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soon as there are 20 people >> ambervert >> so like the word amber a m are a m i >> v e r t ambbervert >> m >> yeah that’s >> there’s lots of uh lots of uh descriptions of it so ambervert yeah it’s the balance I guess >> I always thought I was introvert but then in the certain test they said I’m a little bit extrovert Good. And I thought, >> yeah, it doesn’t fit neither. So, yeah. >> So, it says just as it’s easy cap.
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You’re like, you like social gatherings, but you don’t necessarily start the conversation, but you’re happy if people come and talk to you. You’re more likely to engage in long conversation. You don’t like being alone for a long time, but you also get tired of going out regularly. You know how to blend in really well with both introverts and extroverts, and you have close friends. Good, good, good, good. Yeah. >> Why not? Amper. What are you >> I mean I think uh well I you know I’ve I
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I probably fit more into that category because I think I was I have sort of uh I think I’ve uh reaching out personally, but I think a lot of that has been taught I’ve been taught to do it. And so it’s not necessarily natural. It’s an a skill, but it I can be very shy at times where I don’t even want to pick up the telephone if I don’t know the person. So, I I like this. I like this in between. I think it’s just a little bit more comfortable. And yeah, so we used to always have really big parties, big,
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but then you never talk to anybody. And so, now I like to limit them. And even for our Thanksgiving, we had eight and all very interesting people. But there was three conversations going on in our living room. And it was this crossing. And I’m like, we all moved around and we all managed. But it was it was interesting uh that you had to make the effort to talk to the other people because there wasn’t a single conversation. Uh, but I compared that sort of intensity to uh, which was long because it was
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dinner, but I will compare it to the limit of a 30-minute conversation I had with my sister-in-law. And I’ll just say through magic, cuz I like magic and energy. We talked in that 30 minutes about exactly what we needed without telling the other person what we needed. And it was um it was about slowing down and and and not having to do things as quickly as you did in your 20s and 30s. So that drive sort of like post France um uh just to allow your yourself the time to enjoy what you’re doing versus feeling
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you need to rush through it. and uh she is a very very extrovert very aa personality drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive drive so for her that’s a learning and for me it was we’re just sort of coming to terms with our we both worked for IBM at one point just coming to terms with this new level of what is our balance what is our flow what is and in 30 minutes we we we tied it up and like wow short but very
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very um connected I’d say. So yeah, that’s my recent experiences. Yeah, I was just wondering how much we communicate on an energy level because my daughter, she’s now about 50 as well and she came back from Karinia for my birthday and with lots of uh good news, exciting news and she was up to here and She talked and she talked and she told us and and after five hours I was sort of exhausted because just by listening to her um everything was nice and and everything was really great news but um
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it’s on an energy level I’m very very s I’ve become very sensitive uh in the last past few years and so I really try to to feel what is the energy, what is doing me good, what is too much and so I I sort of retreated. I said I just need a rest and went to the other side of the room and sat there in my recliner and just listened to them from the distance which was okay. Um so I’m very much watching out now for myself which I have done most of my life as you said we had parties like h and I love doing it and
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and uh walking around and not really communicating with anybody just uh small talk and I couldn’t do any small talk in German I could only do it in English because when we were in a diplomatic circle circus and when we came back to Austria I sort of groped around I I had no small talk available and I didn’t want want to talk to people on a deeper level because well I hadn’t met them for nine years most of them or some of them and now I just know how to balance So, uh, it doesn’t upset me anymore if
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somebody doesn’t go deeper or it’s okay. Everybody according to his it’s reality tunnel. Let’s put it this way. Um, yeah. What brings me joy is uh knowing that I have a very good book waiting for me. That really brings me joy when I don’t and then I I now have started cleaning out. I’ll show you now. You won’t see. Yeah. Some there have been all these all these we had to take them down and uh now I’m going through them and there is material in them. Oh, it’s it really
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uh and I I found out that I just bought something or copied something and then put it away and I felt like I I knew it but I didn’t know it. So now I look at it and say should I go through it once more? No, that’s too much too much energy. And um yeah, maybe I should send it to Heidi. It’s about the towel of love. So one one of these uh documents. So I really well maybe it’s because I see how I developed what I went through and how I how it influenced me and how it didn’t. So
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quite interesting. Quite interesting. But it’s challenging and it makes me tired as well. So I really try to keep my energy level constant and watch it very very carefully. That’s what I do. And yeah, it’s uh a partner of my daughter told me because I complained that when I go to the fitness center, I crawl to the fitness center and I don’t really enjoy being there. And he said, “Yeah, it’s like brushing your teeth. You don’t really want it, but once you finished, you feel much
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better.” And that’s true. So when I when I go back uh I walk faster and I know I have the feeling I have done something for my muscles and uh so it’s it’s very nice. I like to talk to him. He he sort of encourages my daughter to talk. I don’t know why he does it and she doesn’t notice it that he encourages her. He just gives her a prompt or a feedback and she goes on and yeah, it’s amazing. But they have been together now for I think 20 years or so. So they are really a good couple and
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they just bought an apartment and she changed uh her business uh and now is is working now um on the higher level and what she was trained to do. Uh so that’s city planning actually it’s uh or the landscape planning and she gets better salary so she’s really yeah she’s fine and I shall become a grandmother in June and uh right now they call me momma so which is um and then m Monica um mom >> and I said I refuse to be called muri because once you are a great grandmother it’s UI and I don’t want to be called M
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because it’s a cat’s name. >> So that’s what yeah it’s easy and and of course you can’t help worrying that everything will be fine but I try to keep that down and just send positive vibes to >> due date in two weeks. H no June June June next year >> June. Ah >> cime is just this tiny >> but she’s so pleased and of course he is very pleased. That’s the funny thing because up to now he sort of was holding back and now she he just can see >> see the belly. Yeah.
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>> That’s funny. Yeah. >> Yeah. This brings me joy and as such uh everything my husband’s condition yeah it’s uh it will won’t get better but at least it keeps stable now and yeah and we have a routine what we do every day together and what we don’t and yeah and he has accepted my Zoom dates because he asked me every day do we have Zoom Take a look at my calendar. It’s all circled in pink. So that’s my zoom. Yeah, it’s very nice. It’s very nice to reflect on oneself
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because I usually don’t do it in that way. Yeah. >> Okay. Heidi to you. >> Yeah. I wanted to go back to the ambi word because I was very bad in small talk. I really didn’t want to do it and I refused and so I got quite isolated let’s say especially from people here. Now I sort of have learned to do small talk but it is tiring me for if it takes too long. I have to go and then I I really feel that I draw back you know and I’m not interested or at least I think I feel that I’m not interested and
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they must notice it. I’m getting um silent and then I try to find an excuse to go. But it was much worse before. I just was not interested at all and I sort of judged the people for being uh you know so shallow. That has passed. I can now for a short while I can even initiate it with people and in the bar when I go there I often initiate conversations also with people I’ve never seen before just because they have a dog or I have a dog or something like this, you know, and sometimes they
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respond but never for long. Uh, and I really see the the energy level you were talking about energy. It’s it’s really going down with me with somebody is talking only or if somebody’s talking too long and always the same things and D you know uh instead I can be completely tired and then we have a good topic and we talk together and afterwards I’m like this you know that’s really and it depends on the depth of the conversation and on the what is interesting me you know if For instance,
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um in my family when the children were small and everybody talked only about the the children and what they are doing and this and this and this and I don’t have children so I got so tired and similar topics now too you know I can listen for a while but then it’s not interesting for me or when we talk about maybe um philosophers like like soni does no I have no idea Yeah, but I still listen and I find it interesting even if it’s not igniting me into, you know, enthusiasm, but I think, oh yeah, that’s
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interesting. I want to to listen and to to learn something, you know, but yeah, ambig I take on too. Yeah, >> it reminded me of the topic of our last salon, how a conversation is successful. >> Mhm. >> And um you have to have the same language. If you don’t speak the same language, it’s very difficult. and language as a metaphor because I it reminded me that uh the Swiss inter two people from Switzerland integral people visited us in Vienna and we hardly know them personally but we
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had such a great conversation together and we talked about everything. So just uh yeah that’s uh so use it’s a sort of trust that the other one understands you and that you can uh you don’t have to be afraid that you yeah give something you don’t want to talk about actually and that was very nice and I also felt afterwards I felt very bouncier Yeah. And >> yeah, this is the sort of conversation I could do for hours and I think about now Robert and Timothy Luri and the other
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which I forgotten how his name was. Uh when they met and had for hours and hours their conversations when it’s really interesting I can do that for hours really. Yeah. Also with us sometimes we don’t find an end. No. And we have the the hour limit and so >> yeah, by the way, I get dinner at seven. >> It’s nice, but not yet. >> Yeah. H >> in in in 15 minutes you get in. >> Yeah. Yeah, it’s fine. Um I I’m just thinking about what Mona said, the the
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language. I did a um seminar long ago Um he called it terministic screen and he said it’s like if you don’t know the words the the language of um yeah like doctors no doctor language or engineers no engineer language and I guess I have a a joy in so when I studied nutrition I and home economics. So we had 12 different we were in 12 different um faculties like guests. So chemistry and biochemistry and math and uh statistics and uh economics and whatever. So we learned 12 different terministic screens to to
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and then I studied facility management when I was in charge of the the nursing homes and there were another like um the yeah to the technical the economic part and yeah and the the service part and I know that I can this is a really it is it brings me joy when I I realize that people feel heard because I know their language and it’s it comes natural because I was trained I was trained in so many different and it’s not that I recall all the topics and all the content but the yeah being familiar with their
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language that helps me also as a coach to understand people better no matter where they come from. And uh yeah, that brings me joy to when they feel understood. And um yeah and if you don’t have any overlap from so different worlds and and yeah if you if you don’t know the language it’s really hard to get into their world. >> That’s a little bit like it happens to me. It happened with Mark and now with Marcus I’m not so good in English. I mean, I know English a little bit, but all these
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expressions, I have no idea. I often have to ask and it feels like being in primary school because I I don’t know what it means. and myself. I feel so often the lack of being able to express myself as I can do it in German, you know, and I’m looking for words and then you you talk all around for to explain what you want to say and it is sort of hindering the the conversation when you don’t have the a good language base. I hope I will get into it again because with Mark I was better when we speak together. We were were
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together every day and all the time. So my English was better. Let’s see. But I see it as an handicap. My own handicap, you know, to to feel a little bit stupid when I don’t get it and um to not being able to express myself. So the same language is not only energetic wise or or uh uh uh how do you say topic wise but also the language itself you know >> but watch out uh and insist that it would be much easier to say that now in German and then say it in German or in Italian or whatever
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and because you are not stupid but of course you it looks like you’re stupid and this is you should avoid that. >> I don’t think the other person is calling me stupid or thinking >> no but when you’re talking to his brother or whoever >> I can’t express myself you know. Yeah. >> So I’m really wondering how you when meeting his brother how this will develop or won’t you meet him? >> I don’t know. Anyway, I wanted to say what Mark realized when we talked
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English. We had all these shows in English and so on and then he said when you talk with the German people you talk so quickly you talk so differently when in English are in slow you know so that’s even if I know better English I still it is not the same when you don’t learn the languages from childhood on when you learn it later I think some people do they are very gifted you know but I’m not gifted in language which is so it takes longer. And I mean >> I guess if you would live in London, you
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would uh pick it up much faster because we lived in New York for nine years >> and we dreamt in English. So we >> I do that sometimes too and sometimes it depends what I dream what it is about also in Italian but in Italian I have more or less the same problem. You know it’s not my language. I’m good in Italian. I can express myself and everything. And even a little bit more concrete, I did all the schools, the coaching school and things all in Italian, but um still not this not your not my language
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where where I’m really familiar and know how to express myself in little um diff difference uh between one way and the other, you know, and the native speaker uh as I do in German, I get the little energy things which are in the in the words, you know, and the little fumatur you say in Italian. Um, little >> nuance in English. >> What is it? >> In nuance. Nuance. >> Yeah. Yeah. And here it’s nice. This says fumur. Fumare is um to smoke. So the little smokes, the little
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differences, you know. And so yeah, that’s what what it is. And I think in some level is also you don’t even need words. And I only not my I don’t feel safe if I don’t get the words because I don’t trust so much my energetic perceiving or you know it’s still not so much normal no that we communicate without words. So that will be also a a learning curve for me. >> There is an in between. >> What do you mean? >> That’s speaking from the heart. >> Yeah, I know. But you know in this case
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Marcus is very uh he gets a lot on the energetic level very much more than myself. But then I need still words. So I I >> No, I mean like that you don’t think so much about the words but really like feel the connection, feel your being and feel the other and then speak from heart to heart. >> Yeah. Uh >> then the words just come out when I when we do um instant change for example. you you ask people what they want to change and how they want to have it. And when you’re putting it in Yeah. in when when
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you speak out, it’s like you’re as if you’re hooked into that place and all of a sudden you speak more fluently, you speak more like >> it’s completely different than thinking about it. And what are the words? >> I know this experience. Yeah. When I’m in certain situations, I’m very fluent and in other situations, I’m like picking for words. >> So it’s not only linguistic capacity. It’s I I believe. >> No. Because the words they are somewhere
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in the accashic field or somewhere but uh they are coming to you when when it’s open and when it’s somehow closed then who remembers the words. Yeah. I’ve often thought the ideal is to speak in your own language but to be understood by others. >> Say it again. to speak in your own language so you can be more full but then to be understood by the others so that if the other person can understand you sufficiently you’re it’s easier to speak in your own language so you can
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it’s and makes it more comfortable to hear uh let’s say French and English the French person speaking if you can confidently ask answer in English or frles as we say where you you mix your words and sentences and and somehow you get through it but I think there is a a lot of uh people you’re close with, you can have a lot of energetic communication. And my my husband and I joke that, >> you know, we only get in trouble when we speak to each other because we do so much intuitively that we have a bit of a
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they must notice it. I’m getting um silent and then I try to find an excuse to go. But it was much worse before. I just was not interested at all and I sort of judged the people for being uh you know so shallow. That has passed. I can now for a short while I can even initiate it with people and in the bar when I go there I often initiate conversations also with people I’ve never seen before just because they have a dog or I have a dog or something like this, you know, and sometimes they
00:30:41
respond but never for long. Uh, and I really see the the energy level you were talking about energy. It’s it’s really going down with me with somebody is talking only or if somebody’s talking too long and always the same things and D you know uh instead I can be completely tired and then we have a good topic and we talk together and afterwards I’m like this you know that’s really and it depends on the depth of the conversation and on the what is interesting me you know if For instance,
00:31:20
um in my family when the children were small and everybody talked only about the the children and what they are doing and this and this and this and I don’t have children so I got so tired and similar topics now too you know I can listen for a while but then it’s not interesting for me or when we talk about maybe um philosophers like like soni does no I have no idea Yeah, but I still listen and I find it interesting even if it’s not igniting me into, you know, enthusiasm, but I think, oh yeah, that’s
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interesting. I want to to listen and to to learn something, you know, but yeah, ambig I take on too. Yeah, >> it reminded me of the topic of our last salon, how a conversation is successful. >> Mhm. >> And um you have to have the same language. If you don’t speak the same language, it’s very difficult. and language as a metaphor because I it reminded me that uh the Swiss inter two people from Switzerland integral people visited us in Vienna and we hardly know them personally but we
00:32:43
had such a great conversation together and we talked about everything. So just uh yeah that’s uh so use it’s a sort of trust that the other one understands you and that you can uh you don’t have to be afraid that you yeah give something you don’t want to talk about actually and that was very nice and I also felt afterwards I felt very bouncier Yeah. And >> yeah, this is the sort of conversation I could do for hours and I think about now Robert and Timothy Luri and the other
00:33:30
which I forgotten how his name was. Uh when they met and had for hours and hours their conversations when it’s really interesting I can do that for hours really. Yeah. Also with us sometimes we don’t find an end. No. And we have the the hour limit and so >> yeah, by the way, I get dinner at seven. >> It’s nice, but not yet. >> Yeah. H >> in in in 15 minutes you get in. >> Yeah. Yeah, it’s fine. Um I I’m just thinking about what Mona said, the the
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language. I did a um seminar long ago Um he called it terministic screen and he said it’s like if you don’t know the words the the language of um yeah like doctors no doctor language or engineers no engineer language and I guess I have a a joy in so when I studied nutrition I and home economics. So we had 12 different we were in 12 different um faculties like guests. So chemistry and biochemistry and math and uh statistics and uh economics and whatever. So we learned 12 different terministic screens to to
00:35:16
and then I studied facility management when I was in charge of the the nursing homes and there were another like um the yeah to the technical the economic part and yeah and the the service part and I know that I can this is a really it is it brings me joy when I I realize that people feel heard because I know their language and it’s it comes natural because I was trained I was trained in so many different and it’s not that I recall all the topics and all the content but the yeah being familiar with their
00:36:07
language that helps me also as a coach to understand people better no matter where they come from. And uh yeah, that brings me joy to when they feel understood. And um yeah and if you don’t have any overlap from so different worlds and and yeah if you if you don’t know the language it’s really hard to get into their world. >> That’s a little bit like it happens to me. It happened with Mark and now with Marcus I’m not so good in English. I mean, I know English a little bit, but all these
00:36:57
expressions, I have no idea. I often have to ask and it feels like being in primary school because I I don’t know what it means. and myself. I feel so often the lack of being able to express myself as I can do it in German, you know, and I’m looking for words and then you you talk all around for to explain what you want to say and it is sort of hindering the the conversation when you don’t have the a good language base. I hope I will get into it again because with Mark I was better when we speak together. We were were
00:37:38
together every day and all the time. So my English was better. Let’s see. But I see it as an handicap. My own handicap, you know, to to feel a little bit stupid when I don’t get it and um to not being able to express myself. So the same language is not only energetic wise or or uh uh uh how do you say topic wise but also the language itself you know >> but watch out uh and insist that it would be much easier to say that now in German and then say it in German or in Italian or whatever
00:38:21
and because you are not stupid but of course you it looks like you’re stupid and this is you should avoid that. >> I don’t think the other person is calling me stupid or thinking >> no but when you’re talking to his brother or whoever >> I can’t express myself you know. Yeah. >> So I’m really wondering how you when meeting his brother how this will develop or won’t you meet him? >> I don’t know. Anyway, I wanted to say what Mark realized when we talked
00:38:55
English. We had all these shows in English and so on and then he said when you talk with the German people you talk so quickly you talk so differently when in English are in slow you know so that’s even if I know better English I still it is not the same when you don’t learn the languages from childhood on when you learn it later I think some people do they are very gifted you know but I’m not gifted in language which is so it takes longer. And I mean >> I guess if you would live in London, you
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would uh pick it up much faster because we lived in New York for nine years >> and we dreamt in English. So we >> I do that sometimes too and sometimes it depends what I dream what it is about also in Italian but in Italian I have more or less the same problem. You know it’s not my language. I’m good in Italian. I can express myself and everything. And even a little bit more concrete, I did all the schools, the coaching school and things all in Italian, but um still not this not your not my language
00:40:12
where where I’m really familiar and know how to express myself in little um diff difference uh between one way and the other, you know, and the native speaker uh as I do in German, I get the little energy things which are in the in the words, you know, and the little fumatur you say in Italian. Um, little >> nuance in English. >> What is it? >> In nuance. Nuance. >> Yeah. Yeah. And here it’s nice. This says fumur. Fumare is um to smoke. So the little smokes, the little
00:40:50
differences, you know. And so yeah, that’s what what it is. And I think in some level is also you don’t even need words. And I only not my I don’t feel safe if I don’t get the words because I don’t trust so much my energetic perceiving or you know it’s still not so much normal no that we communicate without words. So that will be also a a learning curve for me. >> There is an in between. >> What do you mean? >> That’s speaking from the heart. >> Yeah, I know. But you know in this case
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Marcus is very uh he gets a lot on the energetic level very much more than myself. But then I need still words. So I I >> No, I mean like that you don’t think so much about the words but really like feel the connection, feel your being and feel the other and then speak from heart to heart. >> Yeah. Uh >> then the words just come out when I when we do um instant change for example. you you ask people what they want to change and how they want to have it. And when you’re putting it in Yeah. in when when
00:42:24
you speak out, it’s like you’re as if you’re hooked into that place and all of a sudden you speak more fluently, you speak more like >> it’s completely different than thinking about it. And what are the words? >> I know this experience. Yeah. When I’m in certain situations, I’m very fluent and in other situations, I’m like picking for words. >> So it’s not only linguistic capacity. It’s I I believe. >> No. Because the words they are somewhere
00:43:05
in the accashic field or somewhere but uh they are coming to you when when it’s open and when it’s somehow closed then who remembers the words. Yeah. I’ve often thought the ideal is to speak in your own language but to be understood by others. >> Say it again. to speak in your own language so you can be more full but then to be understood by the others so that if the other person can understand you sufficiently you’re it’s easier to speak in your own language so you can
00:43:43
it’s and makes it more comfortable to hear uh let’s say French and English the French person speaking if you can confidently ask answer in English or frles as we say where you you mix your words and sentences and and somehow you get through it but I think there is a a lot of uh people you’re close with, you can have a lot of energetic communication. And my my husband and I joke that, >> you know, we only get in trouble when we speak to each other because we do so much intuitively that we have a bit of a
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laugh with it. >> Yeah. I think the better you know each other, you don’t you don’t need to speak so much. Yeah. Yeah, >> telepathy it also happens sometimes you know that just at the same moment something arrives or so this experience I have to but I’m really not yet trusting all these experiences because they are a little bit woo woo woo is fun yeah Yeah. >> Yeah. It’s nice to to meet you and I think she gets a good evening meal cooked by her husband and we >> I have a good chef at home. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. We let her >> and it’s so nice when he loves to do that again. >> That’s good. Yeah. >> Yeah. That’s nice. >> And Trina, have a good day. >> Thank you. I’m about to say goodbye to my husband for who’s leaving for Ottawa for five days. So, thank you. And I have a friend coming over. So, okay. In and out. >> And Mona, good good evening, good night, and >> good night. >> You’re in two weeks. Byebye. See you >> in two weeks, ladies. Take care. Bye.
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Bye. Bye.
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laugh with it. >> Yeah. I think the better you know each other, you don’t you don’t need to speak so much. Yeah. Yeah, >> telepathy it also happens sometimes you know that just at the same moment something arrives or so this experience I have to but I’m really not yet trusting all these experiences because they are a little bit woo woo woo is fun yeah Yeah. >> Yeah. It’s nice to to meet you and I think she gets a good evening meal cooked by her husband and we >> I have a good chef at home. Yeah.
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>> Yeah. We let her >> and it’s so nice when he loves to do that again. >> That’s good. Yeah. >> Yeah. That’s nice. >> And Trina, have a good day. >> Thank you. I’m about to say goodbye to my husband for who’s leaving for Ottawa for five days. So, thank you. And I have a friend coming over. So, okay. In and out. >> And Mona, good good evening, good night, and >> good night. >> You’re in two weeks. Byebye. See you >> in two weeks, ladies. Take care. Bye.
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Bye. Bye.







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