Genekeys and Human Design

### Summary
The video transcript captures an intimate, informal discussion among a small group of women exploring themes around spirituality, human design, and integral theory. The conversation begins with casual check-ins before transitioning into a detailed exploration of concepts like human design, the Gene Keys, and their relationship to personal growth and self-awareness. Heidi, one of the participants, shares her recent experience attending a webinar on human design, describing how the system offers a complex map of personality traits, life purpose, and shadow work based on birth data. The group contrasts this with their experiences in Buddhism, Christianity, and integral spirituality, emphasizing the challenge of integrating psychological depth with mystical or spiritual practices. The discussion also touches on psychic abilities, artificial intelligence debates within their peer group, and the role of intuition and belief in personal development. Throughout, the participants highlight the importance of balancing rational and mystical perspectives, embracing shadow work, and using these frameworks to increase self-awareness and improve life choices. The video ends with warm wishes and reflections on personal relationships and intentions.

### Highlights
– 🌟 Introduction to human design as a detailed system mapping inner structures based on birth data.
– 🧠 Discussion of the tension between Eastern spirituality, Buddhism, and Western psychological approaches.
– 🔮 Exploration of the Gene Keys as a tool for shadow work and personal evolution.
– 🌀 Explanation of defined and undefined centers in human design and their impact on identity and energy.
– 💡 Emphasis on balancing left-brain rationality with right-brain mystical insight for holistic growth.
– 👁️ Reflection on psychic abilities, skepticism, and openness within spiritual development.
– 🤝 Sharing of personal stories and the role of intention and belief in manifesting relationships and growth.

### Key Insights
– 🌌 **Human Design as a Modern Spiritual-Scientific Synthesis:** Human design integrates ancient wisdom such as the I Ching and astrology with contemporary frameworks, providing a structured, data-driven map of personality traits, life purpose, and psychological patterns. This synthesis appeals to people seeking a rational approach to spirituality, bridging the gap between left-brain analysis and right-brain intuition. The detailed centers and lines offer nuanced insight into conscious and unconscious aspects of the self, helping individuals recognize their inherent strengths and shadow tendencies.

– 🧘‍♀️ **Challenges of Integrating Eastern Spirituality with Western Psychology:** Participants express a longstanding tension between Eastern mystical practices (such as Buddhism’s nirvana and oneness) and Western psychological frameworks. For many, Eastern approaches feel insufficiently psychological or too one-sided in spirituality, while Western science feels too reductionist or dismissive of mystical experience. The desire is for an integrative framework that honors psychological complexity and spiritual depth simultaneously, which is a central theme in integral theory.

– 🔍 **The Gene Keys as a Pathway for Shadow Work and Personal Growth:** The Gene Keys framework is highlighted for its practical approach to understanding and transforming shadow aspects of personality into gifts and ultimately into higher states of being. Unlike some spiritual systems that focus solely on transcendence, the Gene Keys encourage embracing and learning from one’s shadow, recognizing that personal evolution involves “cleaning up” inner patterns. The system offers a roadmap for development, making shadow work accessible and meaningful.

– ⚡ **Defined and Undefined Centers in Human Design Reveal Energy Dynamics and Identity Fluidity:** A key part of the discussion centers on how defined centers represent consistent, reliable sources of energy or traits, while undefined (open) centers indicate areas where individuals are more receptive, adaptable, or influenced by external environments. This distinction explains why some people have stable identities and consistent energy, while others are more chameleon-like, shifting roles and moods based on their surroundings. Understanding these dynamics can prevent burnout and promote self-acceptance.

– 🤝 **Balancing Rational and Mystical Ways of Knowing for Whole-Person Development:** The conversation underscores the necessity of balancing left-brain, analytical approaches with right-brain, intuitive, and mystical insights. Integral theory and systems like the Gene Keys and human design exemplify this balance by combining structured knowledge with poetic, experiential wisdom. This balance is crucial for authentic self-awareness and for navigating the complexities of modern life where both logic and spirituality have valuable roles.

– 🔮 **Skepticism and Openness Toward Psychic Phenomena and Intuition:** There is a nuanced discussion about psychic abilities, with participants acknowledging both skepticism and personal positive experiences. The Western worldview often dismisses psychic phenomena, while other cultures and scientific communities explore it more openly. The key insight is that belief and openness are necessary conditions for such phenomena to manifest, and that psychic experiences can be meaningful tools for self-understanding, provided they are approached critically and responsibly.

– 🌱 **The Importance of Intention, Self-Awareness, and Shadow Work in Manifesting Life Outcomes:** The participants affirm that self-awareness raised through tools like human design and the Gene Keys expands personal choice and agency. Intention-setting and belief, as discussed through references to teachings like Tosha Silva’s affirmations, play a powerful role in manifesting life circumstances, including relationships. Growth is framed not as a linear path but as an ongoing process of “growing up, waking up, and cleaning up,” emphasizing continual shadow work and conscious evolution.

### Expanded Analysis
This conversation is a rich example of contemporary spiritual discourse among seekers who are deeply engaged with multiple traditions and are searching for frameworks that resonate with their complex identities. The dialogue reflects broader cultural trends where ancient wisdom (I Ching, astrology, Buddhism) is reinterpreted through modern psychological and integral lenses. The participants’ honest reflections reveal how spirituality is not just about transcendence but about practical, embodied growth that integrates shadow aspects and everyday challenges.

The discussion about human design and the Gene Keys illustrates how modern systems can serve as sophisticated personality maps that help individuals decode unconscious patterns and life challenges. These systems’ emphasis on “defined” versus “undefined” centers provides a nuanced understanding of human variability in energy, identity stability, and emotional processing, which can be transformative for self-acceptance and interpersonal dynamics.

The tension between Eastern spirituality and Western psychology is particularly telling. Many spiritual seekers struggle to find traditions that honor both mystical experience and psychological complexity. This is where integral theory and its offshoots, like human design, find fertile ground by offering multi-dimensional models that accommodate diverse ways of knowing.

The group’s reflections on psychic phenomena also highlight how spirituality today involves a delicate balance of skepticism and openness. As science grapples with the limits of materialist explanations, many individuals navigate personal experiences that challenge purely rational worldviews. This underscores the importance of cultivating a flexible mindset that can hold paradoxes and uncertainties.

Finally, the emphasis on intention and belief echoes a perennial spiritual teaching: awareness expands freedom. By understanding one’s “design” or “keys,” a person gains the capacity to make conscious choices rather than unconsciously repeating shadow patterns. This empowerment aligns with the integral notion of “cleaning up” one’s inner landscape as a prerequisite for higher states of consciousness and authentic self-expression.

### Conclusion
The video transcript offers a compelling snapshot of contemporary integral spirituality in action—an evolving synthesis of ancient wisdom, modern psychology, and personal experience. Through the lens of human design and the Gene Keys, the participants explore how self-knowledge can illuminate life purpose, foster shadow integration, and support holistic growth. Their nuanced dialogue about spirituality, belief, and psychic phenomena reflects the complexity of modern seekers’ journeys toward authenticity, balance, and deeper connection with self and others.

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Women matters at the end of September. We are only in three today. Who knows where all the others have have gone. But we always say who is here are the good ones. Well, it’s the ones who fit into the topic. Let’s put it this way. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. So short check in and um then we might jump into the topic which uh probably will be that I talk a little bit about the webinar I did this weekend on human design. Oh I would be very interested in that. Yeah me too. It’s about because we now

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in Vienna we still have summer here and uh we will have on Thursday uh an integral salon about the soul and there have been uh energetic and discussions before that and we found out someone doesn’t believe in the soul at all and and so on and so on And so uh when Heidi mentioned uh her her webinar, I was rather interested and she will come to our salon too and talk about it there as well in German then. Oh, so that’s all on Zoom. Huh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have uh people who move to the west of Austria, artists, and we we like

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to have them here too. And so Zoom is the only possibility for them to attend because we had live saloons yeah many years but it’s much more comfortable to do it by Zoom. It’s pretty. Yeah, sure. So, that’s my check in. And um um yeah, I still go to the fitness center and I think I do develop something like muscles. [Laughter] At least you recognize them as muscle. Yeah. Something that Oh, it’s a muscle. So um it’s not a I haven’t noticed it much but uh getting up is getting easier as well standing

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up. So yeah I hope it will go on like this. Are you working with a trainer? Uh well there are uh instruments and every 10 10 times you have attended they accompany you and they oh it’s really the right uh position. Oh that’s very good. No, because you have to your feet and your uh it’s yeah it’s very complicated actually challenging challenges me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me mentally as well but paid to so yeah that’s my check in

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I was on to Lorine well um as a matter as a matter of fact the last u few weeks I I have been writing like a sort of an essay. We we had a meeting of San Diego integral also on Zoom. This is about two months ago and this longtime meditator came and did a presentation on um achieving the authentic self kind of in a group setting. And I realized that I’ve had a really hard time with the whole Buddhist and eastern oriented philosophy and and meditation practice. And the aim always seems to be a kind of nirvana and

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feeling of oneness. And it just we had a couple of exchanges in that meeting and I just had this really negative reaction realizing some of it was just triggered by you know how she came across but but a lot of it is this is a problem I’ve had with integral uh and and sort of facing that um you know I the last few decades I’ve been more in a science orientation But, you know, I’ve always been both an artist and a scientifically minded person. So, it’s it’s been hard to fit myself in. Plus, the whole spirituality

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thing. I think I’m finally ready to um what to reacquaint myself to make make another decision about it. I was raised Catholic, very very intense, almost mystical and I left that because of the politics of the Catholic Church. Um, but I haven’t really found anything since and the way the Eastern stuff is presented is just not psychological enough for me. It doesn’t blend psychology with spirituality and that becomes an obstacle for me. So that’s what I’ve been dealing with actually.

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Thank you. Just an observation to that. This Buddhist orientation in integral circus was always disturbing to me. Was it? Yes. Because for me it was one-sided on only this sort of spirituality. Yeah. Well, that’s the right. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe for Mona is different because she is a Buddhist practitioner, but for me it was always No, I’m graced in Christianity. Even if I don’t be part of the church but my culture is Christian why should I adopt another sort of religion especially since we know now yeah I know

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now many people knew it before that the mystical path is also in Christianity so you don’t need to do meditation and stuff in another religion when you can have it in your own this is my observation to you interesting yeah for my again. Um, yeah, as I said before, I might have found a life partnerly. So, I’m really happy about that and hope it works out. And uh, yeah, I’m doing a lot of work on the gene keys since four or five months. And now this weekend I did uh in German a long webinar of a

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whole day and an evening before on human design. I had acquaintance before a little bit but I never understood what it was this charts and so on. Later I can show the chart and I thought how weird and they were really able to explain the main things to me and I thought oh this is interesting. This is like integral theory, a road map for your inner structures and on the differences between um uh people you can really um detract from from this when you know their their charts. So really interesting. So if you like we

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can we can talk about that. I just wanted to add to my Buddhist practice. Well, maybe I just picked out the raisins from the whole uh cake. Um because I just uh well the Catholic Church I really can’t as long as they treat women as they do. It’s just uh I can’t I don’t feel comfortable. My husband is pract every Sunday he goes to on Zoom to mass. Uh but that isn’t a topic for us. Um but I I really believe in mantras and I don’t think that Buddhism is that much oriented towards nirvana now. It’s more

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social activity as well. Um yeah. So that’s what I just wanted to add to my Buddhist. Do you have a SA? Do you belong to a group? No, I did and uh the minute I found out that the teacher was had a lot of shadows still going on um I decided it’s not the right group for me. And yeah, well you know even Wilbur I mean the Wilber Combmes ladder I mean integral acknowledges you can experience state experiences at every level. So even being able to reach whatever uh you know you think of as nirvana doesn’t guarantee your growth.

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So you know there are psychologically stunted people and some of these gurus as we all know have been toxic. So it’s it’s very imbalanced to me and so I was trying to you know think about h how do you balance it and it sounds like Mona you have balanced it in your what I found out I don’t know where Wilbur says this but now it’s just grow up wake up clean up so it’s about the cleanup mostly that maybe is neglected and we did we did years of shadow work and Yeah. Yeah. Vienna as a group as a SA actually.

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Really? SA. Yeah. Group shadow or individuals? No, individual shadow work. Oh, really? The group and uh we did it for I think here regularly and it was just a challenge but we also noticed that there’s so much energy in the shadow that we really appreciated that. Exactly. Exactly. That’s what I find too. Yeah. Okay. Now I pass on to Heidi because I’m really interested in her webinar. Yeah. This leads directly over to what I want to show you. I show you my graph uh on the in the Oh, no. That’s not the right

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thing. Let me see. That’s not the right thing. Where is it? Oops. Where is it gone? Here. That That must be the right thing. Can you see uh many little um round um points? No, I think there’s nothing right now. Yeah, that is strange because I had opened it and why don’t I see it? So, I have to find it again. Let me see. Here it is. Why Why doesn’t it show really strange? I should be able to do that now. So, but obviously not. That is the same thing. So, let me look if I find it in a different way.

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No, I see the one of my mother. Maybe this will show up. Do you see it now? These little points. No. Yeah. Yes. Okay, we got it. Okay. That’s not mine. That’s the one of my mother. Um I I I have to find it again now. So, um the jean keys talk about the shadow. You might be able to to see it. Let me see. It is so strange. I should clean up my computer before I want to do things like that because here I need to find now what I’m showing you, you know. I don’t find that now on my computer.

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I I do that, you know, Heidi, it sends me into a tail spin sometimes. Oh dear. So anyway, I I just try to explain it. So from from theory you see all the little points and these are 11 uh keys which um are defined by your birth date by the place where you are and the time of your birth and is the the calculation and these are the the most important ones uh which are connected with with you. I want to find it. It’s Let me see. Is it this one? Yeah, I think it’s this one. Can you see my cursor?

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No. No. Oh, it just turned a little h fuzzy. Yeah, it got fuzzy. Yeah. And I don’t see a cursor. Oh, there cursor. Oh, there it is. Okay, we’re good now. This is my mother. So, uh no no no um secrets about myself. on this position here is your life’s work. This position here is your evolution. This position here is your emanation. And this position here is your purpose in life. And they are all connected with these numbers. And now I have to put on the glasses because I uh don’t see it

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otherwise. The important thing is you might we might start here is um she has as a shadow reaction as the gift she has evolution and as the city the highest state of uh of uh development is rebirth. So what I like with the dream keys is that you are not only doing shadow work somehow but with all of your main points you know where to go when you are in reaction for instance and you know you you know that uh your your gift would be make revolution instead of reaction then you know where to go. I have different

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things you know but contemplating it I think oh now I’m in I don’t know in uh for me it’s for instance um expectation I have expectation in this point you know now I know I have to go when I find myself oh I’m in expectation now I know ah go over to detachment to develop yourself so in in this direction and at the end it would be a celebration. If I go the whole path, celebration, joy and so on, you know, and then they teach you that the shadow is not to overcome but to realize what it is and pick out

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the energy which it has and uh even act out of the shadow sometime when it is needed. So, uh, this I really like love about this system because it shows you the pathway where to go. And yeah, so far to the gene keys, I’m working with it. I have done this um this Nancy activation sequence. These four points, it’s the first course. The second one is the Venus sequence. This one I just finished it. Finished it. You never finish. you always think and you go into cross references at from one

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point to the other. It’s sort of psychoactive. You are beginning to understand what in what position you are right now and what where could you go instead and so that’s um for me it’s really amazing. But I wanted to show you the human design thing which I listen to now. I hope I will uh find it e more easily. I should have mine now here so you get to know me who who knows human design gets to to know me quite well. But now I have the same problem that I have to find the the one so I can uh

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this one I think. Can you see the cursor? Yes. Okay. So that’s mine. In human design um the uh you have several centers. This is the the head center the on top. Then this is the Aisha or something which is called then there is the throat center. Then there is the G center where identity is stored and then here is the sacral center. Here’s the uh the bottom. How do you say wood? What is this? What’s root center? Root. And this is the spleen center. This is the heart center. And this is the

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emotional center. And the colors say that these centers in my chart, they are defined and the white ones are not defined. And now I’ve understood the difference between defined and not defined. For instance, when this tree sender which uh def uh defi um gives you the sense of identity, I have it defined. So as an example, when I go and do a concert, I’m always Heidi. I’m not a singer. When I’m uh doing going in the garden and do farm work, I’m always Heidi but not a farmer. And

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whatever I do, it’s me doing it. While people who have that not defined, they change from one role into the other. They sort of I don’t want to say lose themselves, but they really in the moment they exactly what they are what they are doing, you know. So they can change like a chameleon. they can change their uh their identity. Let’s say here open centers they mean that you are uh when they are open you are highly um able to receive information from outside. So the multi-perspectiveness

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which we have in integral is certainly because we are open here. when you are closed in this center for instance you are very much uh bound to what you believe. So these are the people uh who who cannot let go of their own ideas. They think they are right and the others maybe not you know and who has a defined throat center has a voice you know they uh they present themselves like I know I can I do and have a firm voice instead of you know um no like sometimes you see speakers who are more uh shy and uh they have an open

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um throat like I have and some are just have a voice and speak like Trump for instance you know people like just speak they have I’d like to close his throat center yeah it is so and for instance the emotional center I found out more completely today when your emotional center is closed not closed defined defined kind then you have you are creating emotions. You are living in emotions and give it out into the world. You are the creator of emotions and other people can pick it up and whatever. Uh while when

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you are uh open in the emotional center, you easily pick up emotions from others and think and react to the emotions from others. um doesn’t mean that the one with a defined center don’t feel the emotions from others but they mix them with their own structure while uh when it is open the center the emotions are considered are they mine are they not mine I don’t know with open center we cannot sort of we are not the source of emotions our emotions have always to to be ignited in some way. While people who have a closed

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a defined center, they are just all the time in in in emotion, high emotion and low emotion or neutral emotion. But they they they are without emotions life wouldn’t be possible for for them. While we if there is no um we I call me because I have an open center here. If there is nothing emotional around, I probably would be neutral. So sort of, you know, nothing which ignites my my emotions. And then the house, can I ask you a quick question? Is there in this system? Uh do they outline a preferred way to be

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or one way is more evolved or you’re just describing? It’s just a description. This is just describing uh because uh this is given this said these centers are given by your birth. I see. I see. I see. Change that. You can by education for instance you can be distorted and then you for instance when you have an open center here then uh no let’s first talk about the closed center the sacral center. If this is closed you are have continuously producing energy. As soon as you are in joy or are

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interested in something, your energy won’t go away because you are producing it. Like in this center, the people produce the defined center produce emotions. In this center defined, we produce uh produce um energy energy energy. When we are inspired, when we are bored, the energy falls down and we don’t have it. People have it not defined. They cannot work like it is uh requested in our society. They are more for feeling into what is good, what we should do, what what is the vision for that, what is best to do. That would be

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their task. And if they try to function like the so-called generators do, I’m a generator because I have a color here. When the projectors or reflectors try to to to work like generates do, they go into burnout because it’s too much for them. They don’t have a continuous source of energy. Their energy is depleting itself. And so they have to take very much more care to have uh once well there are just three types generator reflector and skip the the manifesttor and manifest manifesting generator and the and the

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projector. What is the difference between manifesttor and generator? Generate that’s they explained this nicely. The manifesting generator is the one who is excited and starts to do something and then that’s excited from another thing and do something else and then excites from the next thing and does this the generator is more let’s say constant constantly generating that’s what I have understood I mean I don’t guarantee that’s all right but that’s what I what I understood

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and in the spleen center there is the intuition and it uh it’s very li soft voice but when you ask a question and then it says yes or no and then uh that’s what it is I mean your intuition and when you have uh defined it um I think it’s more I I I don’t know that I haven’t studied it yet so well but I think it’s more reliable than the the more clear the voice of the intuition That’s what I think but I’m not sure. So anyway, you can already see that it’s um this is only the centers which is

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complex and then here according to all the signs uh of the uh horoscope there are numbers nearby and the main numbers are let’s say which define you are on the first row. This side here is what you are consciously uh uh showing and this side is what is unconsciously in your in your it is written here design and here personality. So this you can observe yourself. You are aware about it yourself. And this here on this side which are all hexogs all you can also say dream keys if you want these

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numbers. Uh you um you don’t realize it but other people see it in you probably. So that’s the unconscious um emanation of of of yourself. And then what is very very exciting these numbers behind the point three I have three here and I have six here these are called the lines and for instance this line three which I have means adventure adventure and the six means something like um role model or something like this. So let me look it up what she said what my my definition is for this uh the adventurous optimist. I’m the

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adventurous optimist which you can see from this uh numbers behind the the point and I can say yes that’s what I am you know and I have also a gene key which starts from hunger as a shadow and goes into adventure and then in the city in the highest state it’s boundlessness so realization in the Bu Buddhist sense you know So anyway, I’m completely decid excited. I don’t even know what these other numbers then represent. If you go deeper into it and these people who did the webinar want to sell you a course,

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you know, where you get to know all these things which have to do with yourself. Um I definitely have no money to do that. uh but I will continue to to get into it because so how much you can see out of these charts in the it was a live webinar they asked a person to to come and the the the facilitator had her chart they didn’t know each other before and only out of the chart he asked a questions you know um and she said yeah that’s that’s what it is so you can see many if not all personal traits um and uh

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preferences or whatever of your life in in in these charts. You can see them. What I I wonder now you mentioned the soul plan. Where is that located? And that is the soul plan because you come the soul comes with this equipment into I see. Mhm. And you can stop in the only on the shadow level. I saw uh in the chart of my mother for instance which I haven’t studied well yet but I saw she always was in her shadow level. She never had the chance to to go into the into the gift. So as far as I remember,

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this is the soul plan. You can you can uh let’s up let’s say step up higher into the gift and then into the realization that is your choice or your possibility or you can stay and live your life into the uh in in the shadow level which most people do. uh me too included. But uh at least you have a glimpse of uh of the other um the others or the other levels of your the possibilities you have. Let’s say in this way no you have specific possibilities you and another person has maybe similar but others I saw for

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instance with a friend of mine is completely different all these uh positions so probably the life will be in all another way than mine you know so and that’s what I said if a psychologist knows these things like even the anagram the type which is also quite rich but much less rich than that. Um you have an an hint where to go where to work to and you don’t have to dig as long into figuring out where where the client might be and where he has overlaid his natural um let’s say natural characteristics with educated

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uh habits or something like that. So far is my talk on these things and I’m completely excited you see and when I’m in this state and I can study put energy into itless [Laughter] it’s very interesting what are the origins of this approach is this something that’s centuries or fairly new no no that was fairly new I forgotten the name it and with a Korean name a man who has challenged chneled these things. You know it is the basic the basic is uh the itching. All these numbers refer to

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the 64 uh hex hexaging. Oh yeah is the Chinese. Yes. Yes. Yes. I’m familiar with that. Yeah. And then instead of using it only as an oracle, it became more flesh by this uh sort of instruction. And Richard Rat, he is then the founder of the gene keys. He has collaborated with this person with of human design for many many many years. and he has inserted the spirituality the the poetic and uh the more right brain aspect while this human design charts they are more left brain you know you can understand them

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and that’s okay with the gene keys you have to live them through you need to to feel what it means you know and so in some way it is more complex but also not as easy to understand with a head because it’s not so structured like human design is you know and I said before to Mona in some way the human design is like integral theory it’s theory in many and not um from the right brain side here uh coming but from the from the left brain side so and that’s why go ahead go ahead that’s why I love the jean keys because

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It’s combining the understanding of the mind with a with mythical uh mystical aspect too, you know. You ask, you go on. You wanted to say something. Um yeah, I I got on a different track with what you just said. It does seem to me and this could could be from an integral perspective or not that the key here is to balance a sort of a leftrain, right brain, rational, nonrational, um, you know, body oriented, mystical and to be balancing those now, you know, because before we it was one way or the

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other and we need both somehow and we need to incorporate both. Exactly. Exactly. That’s what I what I felt and I started with the gene keys and was excited and now having listen to the to the structural basis it makes even more sense you know to to to work with the team keys. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, what I was going to ask before the some of the symbols on your chart looked like they were from um astrology and zodiac symbol. So, they use the same symbols for like planets or it seems to be I’m not very

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knowledgeable about it. So, okay. That it is I mean they’re using the same data. Astrology uses your birthplace and your Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, this I I have never been able to remember the science of a story. Oh, really? I thought it was always easy because they’re only 12. However, charts are immensely complex and I’ve I’ve never gotten into the weeds on that one. Yeah. uh about the human design graphics. Um you can’t change uh what is defined and what is open.

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Yeah. So how do you work on it? You to try to get a balance or how do you work on your open parts? Whatever you need to work on both because both have shadow sides. You know if you are have a how do they define the shadows in the human design because it’s expressly shadow. So they call it more dangerous. You know when you have a closed uh uh uh throat chakra uh or the closed uh how it is called then you are in danger of being like this you know and not considering anybody else for instance with the eye chakra and when you are

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aware of that then then it’s the the development then that you need to begin to say to ask yourself uh is it really like I think or can I consider somebody else’s, you know, and so on. Or when you have identity problem, when you have an open identity thing, you you need to to to work on your self worth, you know. I know selfworth was uh I forget it. It’s it’s only three days old that I I learned that, you know, but one of them is is is is showing you that your self worth is instable.

00:36:33 – 00:37:58
And so you you you know when you are holding back then you say okay that’s not necessarily what I am I I I can be more self-affirmative. So that’s developmental way is in this way but it doesn’t mean that it is then defined afterwards but you learn how to to be with the situation you are in in a balanced way you know but you don’t change it that’s no so the self-awareness I mean this this map increases your self-awareness obviously you seek it out because you want to know more Uh but

00:37:16 – 00:38:39
then the information you get just raises your self-awareness and that gives you more choices. Yeah, in a way. I mean that’s one way of looking at I would see it. Yeah. Yeah. Very interesting. And if um if I I’m very intrigued by this. If I wanted to have this mapped out for myself, I just go online to um I can can send you um uh URLs and you can also find it. You know, some people want money and there are also spaces where you get at least the chart, you get it without a charge and Oh, yeah.

00:38:00 – 00:39:13
Yeah. And you can I work a little quite a bit with Chad GBT and I asked them uh Oh yeah. Yeah. I did that before but this uh the webinar was more concrete as more you know it’s not just one question but they showed you the whole thing. For instance I told you about the lines they started with the first line then the second line the third line and explain that and then the combination of the lines. I have the three six uh combination you know what does that mean and so all the combinations possible they talked about

00:38:37 – 00:40:07
that and one after the other so you had it more systematically instead when you ask GBD maybe it does it in this way maybe not you know so yeah right it’s not that reliable yeah not so systematic or you have to ask it so concretely that sort of already need to before, right? Yes. Yeah. Oh, very interesting. Very interesting. It is. I hope I can inspire also somebody who is watching afterwards. Uh so because yeah, I change the world when we get more awareness of our structure and where we are meant to do things or to be

00:39:22 – 00:40:55
in a certain way and where what we are not meant to to do and to be. That is also from listening. I really like the this book. Oh, is that based on the Iching? Yeah, that’s the jinkies and it’s contemplations on the chinkies by Rat himself. Okay. And that really uh it’s very rightrained as you said Heidi and it’s uh yeah I found it quite inspiring to have your chart you can also look up what is especially for you important and I bought also the the courses where it’s a little bit more um explained in regard

00:40:10 – 00:41:32
of yours but also more explained in the whole thing let’s say why when you have only the the consider the contemplations on the jean keys by Richard that’s nice but you don’t get the connection when I did the Venus sequence is how you are in relationships and connection these different gene keys you know what what it means and how the development inside is that’s um and it’s not so expensive with Richard Rat at least this uh golden path um so if you have time and want to spend it on

00:40:52 – 00:42:26
something like that I would really recommend it is so for me it was it’s because it’s still working ah okay and how is that together and then I get my my chart and say ah that was this huh and it’s it’s it’s working you Yeah. What do you guys um think about psychics and psychic abilities? Have you interacted with psychics? Is this something you’re open to or I’m just curious? I am very open to that. I had several experiences with uh readings and they were right. So yeah, I’ve had some pretty

00:41:45 – 00:43:43
skeptic inside. Okay. I always feel that their personality sort of gets into whatever they which is maybe okay, but it maybe not. Um, but I’ve never met a psychic myself and I’ve never asked. Uh I sort of obviously I rely on my higher self guided and I read a very funny book by Tosha Silva, a radical openness and she has a Bible uh her name is Shin and she was she printed that in as early as 1925 or so But it’s still valuable, a little simplistic but and very money oriented. So it’s

00:42:44 – 00:44:10
really a topic uh she and she gave uh treatments she calls it in German this behind uh to tell people the right word and it’s usually that you are already you got already what you wanted and you just have to believe in that. Yeah. Okay. There are different ways of and affirmations and um so it’s a kind of self a trance you put yourself in and then you get what you want. I don’t know if this works but obviously for her it worked and for her clients as well. So there are many many different ways of

00:43:27 – 00:44:59
yeah I want to to say something here about as we are in integral context. with Mirro Vinrich has written first integral psychology and now integral consciousness in German and he explains very clearly that until the magic um uh level of development we have all these psychic abilities everybody had it and then going into into eosentric and then conventional and orange modern um it sort of a like we have in the background something over so you have no access anymore to these possib I would support that as well once you

00:44:14 – 00:45:32
are in the rational level it’s very hard to be magical or magic yeah it opens again with further development when you allow it when you allow it there is also further development when people still don’t believe in it. You need to at least give it the possibility that it could be right. Otherwise, it doesn’t work. When you ask what really triggered me was that she believes so much in signs. This is a sign. If a truck with the name of something stops next to her on the highway, this is a

00:44:52 – 00:46:40
sign. So, uh yeah. Right. I think and we humans are very good at inserting meaning into anything. Right. Right. Right. So I sort of hold back a little but very relaxed. I mean uh I I’m amazed and and uh amused also how many twigs a plant can grow. Uh and I think that’s the easiest way easier way because uh good friend of mine he really when we talk about soul he’s sort of he’s a rationalist and he’s an engineer and he doesn’t believe in any of that stuff and so it doesn’t really bother me. I I I just

00:45:48 – 00:47:12
I I listen to it and I said, “Okay, okay, that’s his opinion.” That’s And yeah. So, but I’m older. Maybe that’s I’m wiser a little. Well, yeah, I know. I I I’m able to hear a lot more things and just stay relaxed about it now than I think you really I really appreciate that about old age that I’m more relaxed about many things. Yeah. Yeah. I think for me for me being coming into integral means to allow everything to be possible. What you find more more uh probable it’s

00:46:29 – 00:48:07
another thing but you can grant to almost everything or really everything I would say. So and it’s it’s very we had a very interesting time in the recent couple of weeks in our peer group. Uh two people both of them from the western country western part of Austria. So this is a very peculiar kind of people. um they fought about in artificial intelligence and but they fought so uh hard. I was I was amazed that people take so much time doing it in writing. So they didn’t do it verbally, they did it in writing.

00:47:20 – 00:48:50
And I thought to myself, well, there are some shadows going on here. And they obviously refuse to acknowledge that. And yeah, but yeah, it’s of course once it you feel personally attacked, then it gets really difficult. So, which wasn’t really his his intention, but she read it that way. And there she goes. I still want to say something on the psychic thing. um in in western uh world it is more belittled and ridiculed but I know in Russia it is for many many years it is part of scientific research also

00:48:05 – 00:49:28
so we don’t do it because we don’t believe that it is possible no in our but this is ongoing there and um then it we can also see it with the question does god exist no and uh People say no uh you cannot uh prove that he exists but you can’t even prove that he he or she whatever cannot exist and I would hold it with a psychics in the same way. Is it true? Can you prove it? No. Can you prove that it’s wrong? No. So uh you know take what what seems to you to your intuition more probable. And

00:48:46 – 00:50:09
that’s uh for sure depends on your levels of development what you could of uh of probable or not or possible or not you know right so I I find it exciting totally exciting I also think when somebody out of these capacities makes a big business I would be a little bit like this but I have known people who are really don’t don’t even have a website or nothing you know and um and they have given me uh valuable uh remarks. So well I’m still very much with the saying once it irritates you it’s part of your

00:49:28 – 00:51:07
shadow. Yes. And and in this and uh thinking about words as boomerangs that they always return to you. Uh, so I was really when they two fought like mad dogs, it’s Yeah, it’s amazing. It’s amazing. I mean, they they call themselves integral. Isn’t that amazing? Yes. That Yes. That always kind of puzzled me, too. It’s called peer group of integrals. There they go. It’s Yeah, greenish integrals or something or orangish integral. Yes, it’s the orange version, right? Exactly.

00:50:18 – 00:51:34
Oh god. Oh yes, that was really I I thank you. Give me the opportunity trying to order these things in my own head because I haven’t done it before. So that was the occasion to do that. Thank you very much for listening. I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed this whole discussion. I I remember I got the human design map from someone in Vienna, but I don’t know where I put it, but it’s I still remember that the open centers and the the define centers and I found it very interesting and it was quite quite pleasant.

00:50:55 – 00:52:38
Maybe you get inspired to look into it again. Yeah, maybe I find it again. And you can it’ll be a sign if you do. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Very nice. Well, very nice to meet with you both. This was I very much enjoyed it. Meet again in two weeks. Okay. We’ll see you in two. I’m putting it in my book so I keep the schedule and I keep my fingers crossed for your personal relationships, Heidi. Oh yes. Yes. May the force be with you. Yes. Yes. Whatever it is. Whatever it is. Yeah.

00:51:48 – 00:53:06
Very confident. My intuition says yes. So yes, you seem that way. I’m I’m envious completely. I tell you the secret. Okay, I’ve got to do my design, human design first and figure out the secret is really set the intention in some way, you know, and believe that it will come. Well, there it is what I said about Tosha Silva. She had the once you have the intention and it will come and that’s it so far. The last uh relationships I have, people came. I never go out and look for them. But

00:52:27 – 00:52:45
like with Mark, he came over. No. So great ladies. Thank you. Okay. Enjoy. Take care. Bye. Bye. Bye.