CONVERSATIONS THAT MATTER – CONSCIOUS AGEING

Preparing for the conference: an example for a co-creative conversation

Five women came together to prepare for a shared contribution for the upcoming Integral European Conference. During the conversation they realised that they had been engaging in a co-creative way and the idea arose to publish it as an example. Thus the topic – Conscious Ageing and also death through Corona – is not the important thing why you might watch it, but the way the women self-organised in arriving at the desired result.

Some thoughts on a “co-creative dialogue”

We have talked about co-creativity in the past and identified some of the characteristics which stand out as opposed to debates and discussions. Co-creative conversations leave the participants with a feeling of joy, satisfaction, empowerment and inspiration – while the outcome of discussions and debates often is the direct opposite. There everyone fights for being recognized, for being right, for having won the argument battle.

A co-creative conversation is the direct opposite. Everyone is recognised by the others as having an important piece to contribute to the topic and in the flow of the conversations these puzzle pieces arise and get woven together into the desired result of the conversation. Listening to each other, respecting each other and being open to what wants to emerge is the main tool kit for these conversations. No criticism, but questions. Questions lead further and further into the process of coming to the root of the topic and to the envisioned goal.

During the conversation things might seem to go astray, tangents are introduced, especially those who take into consideration the interiority of the participants, e.g. “How is it for you when….”, or “what is your experience with …”.

The “normal” way of a meeting has a specific topic and the way of proceeding often articulates itself like: “What can you, xwz, bring to the table?, Is the contribution of x better than that of y? We need to decide on a concrete plan: who does what when” etc. The meeting might be short, everything is “clear”, everyone knows what they need to do. But how is their mood now? Did x feel overrun by the decision that the idea of z had been preferred to his own? Does he understand why? Does he feel motivated to collaborate under these circumstances where he feels to be the loser? Does he have a suggestion or a preoccupation which he doesn’t dare to mention for fear to be turned down, again and so it remains unspoken and haunts his dreams for not having stepped up despite his insights of importance?

This “normal” way is what I call the “masculine way”. Straight forward, linear, restricted to a few threads, leaving out all the others, in a setting of hierarchy or at least of competition. The “feminine way” is different and surely more satisfactory, because it includes the whole humans and not only a few of their competences. From the perspective of the masculine way, the feminine way is deviating from the topic, time is spent uselessly on “unimportant things” and so on.

We women have been trying to adjust to the masculine expectation of how things need to be done – only to find out that it doesn’t really work for us, unless we want to become stressed out and finally more masculine than men. So it is not by chance that women love to engage in co-creative conversations which are “feminine” in many aspects. That is not to say that men are not able to engage in co-creative dialogues. Those who are able to step back from the all pervasive linearity and adopt listening skills certainly can. Nevertheless, in my experience, it is very hard for men to resist their tendency to take over, to assume leadership and try to direct the otherwise open ended emergence.

More often than not we find this sort of conversation in women-only groups. But just a bunch of women does not guarantee it at all. They need to express their willingness of exploring the ground together and to listen to each other. For women this seems to be, generally speaking, somewhat easier than for men.

In this post I offer you a concrete example of a co-creative dialogue among women. Listen to it, not so much for the topic, (although you might also be interested in it,) but for the movement of the process. How do we conduct the conversation? How much “leadership” do I, Heidi, use? (I invited the women into the session). How do topics emerge and weave around the purpose of our conversation? How do the women step in to speak? How do they connect to the other women? How do we gain clarity and how do we arrive at the goal of the meeting?

The conversation was not meant to be published, it was our first meeting to agree on a common event for the online Integral European Conference. During the conversation I realised that we were beautifully engaging in a co-creative dialogue which was worth to be published as an example. Please notice also the way we made the agreement for publishing.
Enjoy!

Videopost for April 1st, 2020

 

0 Checkings. The recording starts in the middle of Monia’s check in

0:44 Ann

2:55 Bettina

5:10 Jane

8:16 Heidi gives an outline why she gathered the women and what she plans to do in this meeting

12:15 Jane’s response and a question: Our approach to Conscious Ageing, question about the timing 

13:40 Heidi referring to the 1:1 conversations which she had done with all present womens

14:30 Ann; she loves the balance of our territories. Questions about the organisation

16;00 Bettina; what is the purpose of the whole thing?

17:20 Monia: Informing or sharing perspectives. She wants to be asked instead of doing a 10 minutes presentation

19:20 The purpose of Jane

20:20 Monia collects what was said. Her purpose: live life fullest to the last moment

Jane sees the connection of the purposes, the same things from different perspectives

21:50 She is not fixed on the topic of dementia, she could do a integral life practice for Conscious Ageing

23:45 Ann explains how she developed her interest in “composing a further life”. “Active wisdom” in elderhood and her interest in Integral.

28:00 Heidi tries to collect what has been said.

28:40 SHort translation into German. The Bettina: she offers her integral map on ageing

29:20 Jane asks about Integral, she thinks that her work fits in without knowing perfectly integral. She presents what she could do in her time slot. Shall she refer to the corona virus?

30:50 Heidi: the contribution should be more private and professional experience, not a theory discussion

31:35 Monia asks us all regarding a text, we read before the recording: Have you done anything to prepare for now, for the Corona Crisis? Monia tells how she prepared, living a somehow reduced life even before. Old age: preparing what is essential for me! She is not afraid.

34:05 Have you reduced a lot in the present situation? Heidi answers first

35:15 Jane answers.

36:50 Ann answers. Appreciates the shift in the conversation. Taking the risk in favour of relationship.

39:35 Main topic: Maybe “what is essential?” Do we include corona in our presentation?

40:00 Is survival = quality of life? Question to Bettina, the only of us who had to reduce due to corona. 

Bettina answers: dying is forbidding because of corona: trying to save people by killing them. She as a gerontologist cannot work at the moment. She  is completely against isolation of old people, instead favors palliative care. Shadows and anxiety of their own dying on the part of the scientists. People need to have the possibility to leave this existence! And in a

45:25 Jane replies her observation: The real issue: we are afraid of dying and nobody talks about it.

46:00 Heidi puts the situation into the integral framework. Suggestion for the online contribution for the conference: Assert that we need to include the left hand quadrants into the consideration of measurements in medicine

47:58 Monia asks Jane about “Grace and Grid”. Jane sees the crisis as a wakeup call. Without the present restrictions we wouldn’t have the opportunity to learn about the importance of considering interiority and death.

49:05 Ann: talking about Hübls meditation calls: Steven Jenkinson (teh calling for elders to speak and be wise) the movement exists, but not in the media. Timings in the transition in the humanity level. Incarnation of wise souls: How do we stay expansive for the opportunity despite the hardships people are going through? Why are we reacting the way we are?  – Ann realises that she is taking the conversation in a tangent. We are happy with it.

52:30 Bettina sees a polarity between gero-cracy and gero-transcendence. She meets old people who say: you don’t need to keep children from playing at the playgrounds to save me! Give back the opportunity to the old to speak from their wisdom.

55:55 Monia speaks about the relief to not seeing tourists crowding Vienna. How much will be able to reduce?

55:50 Coming back to what to do next for the conference? Heidi mentiones that what we were talking here would also be good to publish

56:35 Monia asks Bettina why she would not use her dementia expertise for the event. Dementia is another shadow for people who put it away. Bettina answers: it would be too much for the panel. She would do a panel with Terry oFallon in another panel.> Bettina needs to contact the organisers about that

58:15 Feedback/metaview on our meeting by Ann: feeling of empowerment. She wants to get back into the world and take the risk to see her grandson. She feels able to be responsable for that, She is called to speak more for that. Appreciating MOnia’s ability of sensing into the question which moves the energy of the collective.

1:00:00 Heidi asks if she could publish our conversation, an example of the feminine way.

1:01:00 Check outs starting. Appreciation by Monia.

1:01:30 Jane: feels nourished by the conversation

1:02:05 Bettina: It is time for her to come out of her volontary retreat

1:02:55 Heidi: My purpose to bring people together in a common level: an example of co-creativity

1:03:30 Ann interfers to talk about the idea of publishing our meeting, which was not intended as a video for publication. She wants to check in if we are comfortable to be published. This opens a new topic of co-creative conversation. 

1:05:05 Monia: why should you be afraid of others knowing you? – Ann thinks about her daughter who is concerned for social media.

1:05:55 Heidi proposes what the procedure for publishing could be

1:06:25 Bettina sees the importance of this impuls

1:06:53 Jane has no problems with being public

1:07:20 Ann feels heard and appreciates it

1:07:30 Monia: “I am too old to be afraid”

Ich komme beruflich als Gerontologin mit Menschen aller Altersgruppen und unterschiedlicher Bewusstsseinsstufen zusammen: mit Menschen mit Demenz, Angehörigen und Pflegenden in der gerontopsychiatrische Pflege, mit Studierenden an der Universität, mit älteren Arbeitnehmer/innen sowie mit Verantwortlichen aus Personalabteilungen zu Fragen des Alterns in der Arbeitswelt, und ganz allgemein mit Menschen, die sich mit Fragen von Sinn und Zweck des Alterns beschäftigen. Seit vielen Jahren forsche ich zu einem integralen bzw. holistischen Verständnis von Demenz und vom Altern allgemein. Mich beschäftigt unter anderem die Frage, wie evolutionäre Theorien Regression erklären können - wo liegt der evolutionäre Sinn von Altern und Demenz?

CONSCIOUS AGEING
February 13th, 2019 at 7pm UTC+1
INTEGRAL DEMENTIA
Bettina Wichers is a german gerontologist who primarily focuses on improving old peoples’s health from an integral perspective.
READ MORE AND GO TO THE LIVE STREAMING PAGE

See  another vent with Monia and Infos in  her personal page within The Wisdom Factory

One of the many panel discussions in which Monia participated: Gerotranscendence

Jane Duncan Rogers

Jane Duncan Rogers was devastated when her husband died in 2011. Little did she know that 3 years on she would be publishing a book called Gifted By Grief, (and truly felt she had been) and then to become founding director in 2017 of Before I Go Solutions, a not-for-profit that helps people to make good end of life plans.

In August 2018 her second book, Before I Go: The Essential Guide to Creating A Good End of Life Plan was published, and the Before I Go Academy was also started, enabling health professionals to become licensed facilitators of the BIG Method, bringing this much-needed work to their local communities. Jane lives in the north of Scotland, and has a new partner with whom she is building a house together.

See  event with Jane and Infos in The Wisdom Factory page

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See  another vent with Monia and Infos in  her personal page within The Wisdom Factory

One of the many panel discussions in which Monia participated: Gerotranscendence

CONSCIOUS AGEING
February 13th, 2019 at 7pm UTC+1
INTEGRAL DEMENTIA
Bettina Wichers is a german gerontologist who primarily focuses on improving old peoples’s health from an integral perspective.
READ MORE AND GO TO THE LIVE STREAMING PAGE

Jane Duncan Rogers was devastated when her husband died in 2011. Little did she know that 3 years on she would be publishing a book called Gifted By Grief, (and truly felt she had been) and then to become founding director in 2017 of Before I Go Solutions, a not-for-profit that helps people to make good end of life plans.

In August 2018 her second book, Before I Go: The Essential Guide to Creating A Good End of Life Plan was published, and the Before I Go Academy was also started, enabling health professionals to become licensed facilitators of the BIG Method, bringing this much-needed work to their local communities. Jane lives in the north of Scotland, and has a new partner with whom she is building a house together.

See  event with Jane and Infos in The Wisdom Factory page