Integral conference and Instant Change

### Summary
The video transcript captures a deeply personal and reflective conversation among a group of women connected through a recurring meeting called “Women Matters.” As the group engages in a casual yet meaningful check-in, they discuss an array of life events, emotional challenges, and shared experiences during a six-week period in mid-June. The dialogue weaves through topics like new motherhood, eldercare, integral conferences, personal health modalities, grief, uncertainty, and the delicate balance of relationships and involvement with loved ones during crises. Key themes of coping with life’s uncertainties, the interplay of personal growth and emotional healing, and the importance of connection and support surface prominently throughout the dialogue.

Mona shares the joy and challenges of becoming a great-grandmother, describing the energy and time caregiving entails for a newborn. Christine reflects on attending a recent integral conference, touching on the evolving discourse around AI and a notable keynote by Ken that seemed subdued. Gertroud discusses her recent “straw widow” period after her husband’s accident and the progress she has witnessed through a transformational training program. Another participant recounts the traumatic brainstem surgery of a close family member and the ensuing emotional turmoil, highlighting the interconnectedness of family crises with personal and shared coping efforts.

The conversation moves toward reflections on fate, coincidence, and the mystery of human life, with participants examining how they balance involvement with boundaries amid uncertainty and suffering. The group also touches on spiritual and energetic healing practices, including “instant change,” and the collective support provided through energy work during times of crisis. The women emphasize the challenges of staying informed and feeling belonging within complex family dynamics while wrestling with anxiety and the creative tensions of not knowing.

Towards the end, participants reflect on literature that offers deeper insights into life and relationships, such as Elizabeth Gilbert’s *Eat, Pray, Love*, and discuss the ongoing processes of surrender and acceptance in life’s unfolding. The meeting closes with warm reminders of their longstanding connection spanning nearly a decade, underscoring the value of continued regular engagement for mutual support and friendship.

### Highlights
– 👶 Mona celebrates becoming a great-grandmother, sharing the joyous yet demanding realities of newborn care.
– 🎤 Christine reflects on the recent integral conference and the mixed perspectives on AI’s impact on society.
– 💔 Gertroud opens up about coping with her husband’s accident and the healing journey during her “straw widow” phase.
– 🧠 The group discusses the cognitive decline of integral figure Ken and the emotional impact of seeing revered leaders face frailty.
– 🩺 Participants describe spiritual healing techniques like “instant change” and collective energy work supporting loved ones in crisis.
– 🔄 The conversation explores themes of fate, uncertainty, and the delicate balance between involvement and boundaries in family care.
– 📚 Reflections on Elizabeth Gilbert’s works highlight the ongoing search for meaning through love, loss, and transformation.

### Key Insights
– 👶 **The Energy Investment in Early Caregiving:** Mona’s description of her great-granddaughter’s first week highlights how newborn care demands huge physical and emotional energy, symbolizing a universal truth about the early phases of life and dependency. The mention of “nine diapers a day” quantifies the labor involved and invites appreciation for the caregiving journey, which underscores the foundational human interdependence in the life cycle.

– 🎤 **Integral Conference as a Microcosm of Societal Shifts:** Christine’s recounting of the integral conference demonstrates the breadth of perspectives on technology—specifically AI—ranging from utopian hopes for enhanced leisure to dystopian fears of intrusion and control. This spectrum reflects society’s ambivalence about rapid technological advancement and illustrates how integral philosophy seeks to hold space for complex, multifaceted dialogue rather than simplistic conclusions.

– 💔 **Navigating Complex Grief and Role Ambiguity:** Gertroud’s narrative about her husband’s accident and her self-defined “straw widow” period reveals a crucial psychological process—allowing space for integration and healing by consciously reducing external contacts and responsibilities. This approach reflects an adaptive coping mechanism that enables emotional repair and recalibration around trauma, illustrating the importance of self-compassion amid life upheavals.

– 🧠 **Witnessing Aging and Vulnerability in Iconic Figures:** The discussion about Ken, his apparent cognitive decline, and the contrast to his historically vibrant persona reflects a universal difficulty in reconciling the aging process of cultural or intellectual icons. There is a poignant recognition of mortality and fragility intertwined with respect for lifetime achievements, prompting reflection on how society honors elders facing decline and the dignity afforded to creative longevity.

– 🩺 **The Role of Energy Healing and Collective Support:** The group’s engagement with modalities like “instant change” and the sending of collective emergency energy packages underscores an emerging paradigm where non-physical healing methods are integrated into medical and emotional crisis care. The positive feedback reported suggests these approaches can complement traditional treatments and provide psychological comfort, illustrating the evolving holistic understanding of well-being.

– 🔄 **Balancing Boundaries and Involvement in Family Care:** The members reflect on the emotional complexity when a loved one is ill—how varying degrees of proximity (emotional, physical, relational) affect levels of involvement and support. The tension between need for information versus respect for privacy, and the desire for belonging versus acknowledging limits, reveals how caregiving is not just physical but deeply relational and psychological work.

– 📚 **Literature as a Mirror for Life’s Uncertainties and Growth:** Discussion of Elizabeth Gilbert’s *Eat, Pray, Love* and her life narrative serve as metaphors for personal transformation through unpredictability. The stories of love, separation, and identity resonate as reminders that life’s path is seldom linear, emphasizing the necessity of surrender, acceptance, and continuous redefinition of self within the cosmic theater of existence.

### Extended Analysis
This conversation is a rich tapestry of life’s intersections where personal histories, collective wisdom, spiritual practices, and existential questions coalesce. The detailed sharing of grief and hope alongside practical updates about health and family dynamics reveals the power of shared presence in processing life’s unpredictability. The mention of “instant change” and energy work introduces a cutting-edge, albeit less mainstream, therapeutic approach, highlighting a community’s openness to integrative healing.

The reflection on AI at the integral conference connects global technological concerns with intimate human experiences, emphasizing the tension between ‘free time facilitated by AI’ and the ‘intrusive dangers’ perceived by many. This discourse integrates philosophical inquiry into tangible societal trends, reflecting the participants’ engagement with both intellectual and emotional realms.

The theme of uncertainty is pivotal. Multiple voices reference the cosmic or theatrical nature of life’s unfolding, which reveals a spiritual humility and mindful engagement with the unknown. The distress caused by lack of information, coupled with efforts to maintain emotional equanimity, touches on universal human coping strategies in times of crisis.

Lastly, the commitment of the group to meet regularly for nearly ten years exemplifies how sustained social support provides a crucial container for transforming individual challenges into collective strength. Their shared vulnerability and wisdom underscore the essential human need for connection and dialogue as pillars of resilience and growth.

This transcript provides an insightful glimpse into how mature individuals navigate layered life issues—birth, aging, health, relationships, spirituality—within a supportive network that honors complexity, uncertainty, and continual self-discovery. The dialogue thus serves as an inspiring model for holistic engagement with life’s joys and sorrows.

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Good >> women matters meet in June. Half June is already over. It’s incredible. Half the year is over. But we are here still regularly every two weeks and today we are in four. Three German girls and one Canadian girl. Uh as always short check in. Mona, do you are my preferred beginner, preferred beginner? >> Yep. >> I don’t consider myself a girl. >> I’m a great grandmother. I’m not a girl anymore. Okay. >> Great grandmother. I’m looking forward

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to that. [laughter] Yeah. So my check this is my checking. Okay. We have >> Yeah. Tell tell us about this little tiny thing you had in your in your >> Oh yeah. It was it was sort of almost scary because she’s so little but she is feisty and uh it’s such a great joy to watch the grandmother and the parents of course because they’re so happy with the little baby. And uh even the dog is happy and just licking her feet. And >> how old she >> How old is she? >> One week.

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>> One one week. So it’s And tomorrow she just uh texted me that tomorrow she would like to just walk by and try the pram and see how [laughter] Yeah. So, >> but she’s fine and she enjoyed being pregnant, which is amazing to me because I never enjoyed being pregnant, but obviously things change and and the father took the time off and he will still be off this week and so he’s taking care of all the diapers and she needs about at least nine diapers a day. It’s just [laughter]

00:02:20[clears throat] >> pleasant. >> Yeah, >> but it’s amazing and I’m just thinking about how much time and how much energy will go into this small child until she becomes independent. So that’s really amazing and yeah. Okay, I pass on Christine. >> Hello. Good morning. Apologies for coming in late and I’m gonna have to leave early. Also, I um I volunteered my first retirement commitment is uh I volunteered at a museum uh a music museum in Carlsbad here and the

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trainings will be Monday mornings uh for the next two months through the end of July. And after that um I won’t I’ll be available again on Monday mornings. So I will try to come and but I will be leaving at like quarter of. So I will try to pop in though. Um two weeks ago was the icon conference and that was a uh a wonderful event. It went really really well. People seemed really pleased with it. Um a few snags for the people that were online. Uh but in terms of uh being there in person, it it it’s so nice to see

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people. Even though it may have been 2 years or a year since I saw them last, it’s it’s kind of like connecting with old friends again, which is uh which is really fun. Um Tom MCED the whole conference and he did a great job. He his uh idea was to create inner subjectivity a wii space and a lot of people felt like that was accomplished and people are doing tremendously interesting things in the field of integral a lot of really good ideas. You know integral is more uh blossoming in in a lot of ways going in different

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directions. Um but the conference was a nice place for people to hear each other out. Uh interesting uh one of the topics was AI and so we got the whole spectrum of AI is going to make our lives so much better, so much easier. It’s going to facilitate free time and all these great things. And then AI the opposite. It’s going to be intrusive. Uh it’s going to be a doomsday type of thing. So the full the full spectrum. Um and I did a presentation and that went well. And what else about I was going to

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say something else about integral. Oh, Ken had a of course Ken was invited and he he did his speech. Um but he seems he just didn’t seem to be himself. He read the whole thing, you know, he he was reading his talk and it was just kind of the same stuff he’s talked about in the past. He talked about waking up, cleaning up, growing up, showing up, opening up. You know, he kind of went through those very quickly. And uh no question and answer. I don’t think he’s up for that anymore. I don’t

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know, maybe it was a bad day for him, but uh this was the first time I had seen him kind of not kind of debilitated like that. >> So, cognitively debilitated. So, >> how old is he now? >> H I’m going to say 74. I’m not quite sure. 74, 75, something in there. >> Somewhere in there. >> I think a little older. 76 76. >> Yeah, something >> maybe mid70s somewhere around there. >> So, he has his wig on, his blonde wig, and the hair is falling in front of his

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face. He just he looks like a character. >> He looks like a character. If you didn’t know who he was, you’d be going, “Who is this guy?” You know, be going, “What the heck?” But uh so anyway uh coming back from that and feeling on a uh uplifted and uh so that was very good and um yeah now just putting life back together, putting the pieces back together to have kind of a more normal routine. Summertime. Love summertime. It’s great to have long days. It’s wonderful.

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So that’s my check-in. And is there anybody else who needs to has everybody gone? Who needs to speak? >> Everybody except Monica. [clears throat] >> I will pass to Gertroud. >> Okay. So, we met after my 70th birthday, didn’t we? I think >> I think two weeks ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, and I was um we call it straw widow for two weeks now. And um this was like very calm, very just I didn’t call many people. I didn’t do much. I was just yeah sleeping in if I wanted to and and just

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have regular I mean I worked and I had contact but but very softly and and I I felt it really helped me to let just integrate the last year one and a half years from my husband’s diagnosis, my accident, um yeah, and some other stuff. So, so that was really like almost healing to not contact people [laughter] and [clears throat] not being busy. So yeah, and we we finished the we flow training uh last weekend. That was really really good. And now these we have four weeks where we still have calls but but it’s kind coming to an

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end. And um yeah, just knowing what you did during the last five months really to see the progress to see the transformation in people. It’s it’s really rewarding and having clients that say after six week of of three months they say they got 100% of several items on their list they wanted to achieve. So, so I’m pretty today I felt like almost like Buddha just being there being happy. My husband is back just two hours ago and sleeping now. And so yeah, just breathing in and out [laughter]

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and being with you and it has Yeah, I my heart was a lot with you Heidi and I’m >> Thank you. Shall I go on and then Jenna? Okay. Yeah. >> I don’t know how far you were in front but I our um wedding day was um overlain by the surgery of the daughter of uh of Mark and it was a very um dangerous dangerous surgery whole day. It was the brain stem. She had a tumor on the brain stem. It’s not yet clear if it is malicious but probably it’s not because these things often are not. Uh

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but it had uh blocked all her vital functions. She has survived and is going slowly slowly better. She still cannot swallow but some other things she can do. And uh Mark is there every day. I saw him just now and he is Marcos not Mark. I even uh [laughter] confused this um he is totally tired because he is there every day and all the time and every now and then there is some panic because she has an attack of something I don’t know but the the results of the research is always good I mean good in the sense of what was to

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be expected and yesterday and today the first time that her little child came and see her and was a little bit problematic. You know, first I mark said today she he is mainly taking care of her so that the husband can stay with the wife and he said today she screamed for two hours the little baby you know she is not even two years old >> the first time separated from the mother in such a long time it’s now about I mean she’s in in various hospitals for three at least three weeks if not longer anyway. So, I

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had what I would call somehow a mini um dark knight of the soul uh when when he left and I’m now over it and he’s getting normal too. So, we had some uh good conversations lately and we have the project now next Monday that we get go to to Copenhagen and finally do this marriage thing. What was also uh important for me to see first I said okay we marry because otherwise he cannot stay in Italy but when that was then in danger I I noticed how much I desired that that it was not just an administration thing like I pretended to

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be you know so yeah so I hope it will go well he will fly back to England and in some weeks he will come back I hope and so bad on good news in in in the sequence and then this we flow uh not we flow the other thing instant change thing [laughter] which I got to know already a year ago you told us about this uh no and I already looked into it a year ago and now I had the occasion of participating in an webinar and uh and I had the I just he did a personal uh um session with somebody from Zoom room and then for everybody

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they could we could choose something for ourselves and I chose my shoulders which are bad for a long long long time. I’m working on it with the osteopart for six, seven weeks and after I did this the next day I’m much better and today I go went to my friend osteopart and she said yes it’s much better. So [laughter] it’s crazy really. And so I um we decided Marcus and I he was very interested in it to do the the the the school the the training in this modality and I’m really curious how that will be

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and how we can help ourselves and others by by doing this. It’s really >> what what did you call it? Instant change. >> Instant change. Yeah. Mhm. It’s really I mean GRO told us her story how she get into it. I didn’t know that story before and it was really amazing and then having it on myself it’s not gone you know but it’s not hurting anymore. It’s still some blockages but it’s not hurting. So for sure there is a betterment and when you do several sessions maybe then

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I’m sure that it will go. So I’m [sighs and gasps] sort of >> Yeah. You almost get three sessions in a normal >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I’m now in a good space. I had passed difficult two weeks, but now it’s sort of slowly resolving the the mists and comes some new clarity. And now to you Gina with your nice background of trees and probably the seaside is somewhere behind you. >> Nice. Uh and we’re going to go through the woods soon and hopefully the

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connectivity will stay. So, uh it’s been uh I missed the last session because of course we were in the boat and we were underway and that didn’t work and today was another boat day, but uh boat is successfully on the hard now. So, uh she’s going to get uh painted, cleaned, and polished. So, that’ll be nice. Uh it’s been a busy month. Uh finishing up my interviews. I I’m hoping I did my last >> I hear that you are breaking up a little. It’s difficult to understand for

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me. I don’t know English speaking people. >> Thursday. It was a very fascinating. Okay. Just a second. Let’s just see what I can do here. Come on video. Is that better, Heidi? >> Yeah, that’s better. Mhm. But it’s still a bad connection. So as we have uh little time today, what would we we like to to talk about life um occasions or where is life bringing us at the moment? Where where do we >> I’m going to go off camera check in then >> Gina. Yeah, it’s difficult to hear you

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stay in and and listen if you want to. Okay. What about this? Where are we going? >> Uh I’m also amazed about the coincidences that uh Mark’s daughter also died at 33 and Marcus daughter dies also 33. So this is really creepy somehow. And >> yes. >> Yeah. And the coincidence is also that in the very week we were planning to to marry this escalating and the same day you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Very strange. Very very very strange. But it is what it is. I mean

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who knows? I think time ago they said the ways of God are manifold or something. >> Yeah. >> So yeah. Yeah. And I think it’s it’s more like how how are we with it? How how do we deal with it? How do we cope with it than the events themselves? >> Yeah. And I I can say that um the events are not nice at all, especially when your old basic fears are triggered as mine is abandonment fear. >> And um but what I think what is really good, what I notice that even when I’m

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in sort of despair and whatever, there’s always this line, the observance line. I never am 100% anymore in >> in these things. I don’t get lost to totally and that’s always the witness or whatever you want to to call it. Uh and I I and in some knowledge that in at the end if you if you think it in a in a different way it’s all sort of playing out. It’s all the the cosmic uh cosmic uh play on the on the scene of the you know somehow I don’t know how to to to to say that but that is I I see some

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somebody some some energy up there laughing at what we will see how you how you get through that haha you know something like this [snorts] and uh as if it is a theater which we are playing which is very serious but it is still somehow theater. So I came to this um to this uh conviction that’s with all the seriousness there is something something [snorts] theatrical something like playing out old uh theater place but drama >> well as as I’ve listened to everybody’s story. It It strikes me that people are

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at different levels of involvement. I mean, Heidi, in some ways, you know, this is a daughter-in-law to be. Um, and it it’s tricky to stay involved and and show that support and concern, but then, you know, it’s not it’s not your place necessarily to jump in, right? You know, you want to find that balance. And same with, you know, a new baby in the in the picture. Um, and Gertroud, you’re you’re with your husband. Obviously, that’s a lot closer to you in terms of your day-to-day uh involvement with that, but

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it it just struck me that there’s different levels and that requires thinking about that, you know, where where do I fit in with um this particular scenario? It’s absolutely because I was uh very um how do you say disappointed because I got so little information and I wanted to know what is going on and so you know and then [snorts] where is my place? I’m not really part of the family yet and it’s not I’m here I’m not there you know and then Marcus is so was so u involved and

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yesterday or this morning I really was angry I said you even if you are tired tired tired you can send me a voice message half a minute just tell me a moment how the day went and that’s it I don’t want to let you talk with me for two hours and then shortly before we came in here he he called me and taught me a bit. So for me is also some people who live alone for a long time and are used to do everything by themselves that it doesn’t occur even to him that there might be somebody waiting for that’s how

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I explain it to me waiting for the news you know what about the day because it’s still the what the do I’m much more let’s say concerned about him and not so much I’m also concerned about the daughter but my my reference point is more him and I want to know ho how are you with all that you know and how are you managing it and things like that so I want to be informed and I want to be part of it and one of my false beliefs is also I don’t belong so also this I could look at [laughter] in this again

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and work through it again and you know and find a way how to how to find the right balance between the request. I want to belong. I want to be informed and say, “Okay, I understand. Uh I I draw back.” So where is the equilibrium? That’s what I’m trying to find out. >> Well, maybe maybe some shadow work because I asked my granddaughter, “Tell me something that irritated you recently.” And yeah, so that’s that’s also And she said, “Can you do shadow work on Zoom?” I said,

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“No, I’d rather not.” But who knows? But I’m still I’m still stuck with uh Christine’s remark about Wilbur. And it really gets to me because I find it unfair by fate to have such great thinkers reduced to ridicule almost because when I look I can’t I can’t stand looking at him with this wig. It’s it’s just terrible. And the same thing happened to Terry Preett which whom I also considered to be one of the best authors of science of fiction or fantasy and he created universes and then he

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noticed that he was starting to be demand. So, it’s it’s really >> this is something I really um yeah, I don’t I don’t think it’s a very funny play to get people demanded. It’s uh not fair by the universe. Let’s put it this way. But that’s my Yeah. Why there are so many dumb people and they live on and on with the same dumbness and then there is Wilbur and uh [clears throat] Terry Preer and they have been so creative and given so much to the world and then they all of a

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sudden yeah are reduced to almost to reticle >> and we don’t know what their like purpose is what they have to learn at the end of their lives. So I I think it’s just I I I don’t I don’t know I don’t know people’s soul plan or whatever you call it. So but I I get what you mean. Um yeah >> I actually thought maybe because they have given so much they have depleted themselves maybe with all that given given out everything. I don’t know that’s just an idea.

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>> Terry Branchard enjoyed writing his books. >> So you don’t know that? >> Oh please start it. It’s just the the most creative and most entertaining distraction you can get in in in fantasy and and fiction. Um, >> can you write his name in the chat? >> Oh, sure, sure, sure. Okay. >> Anyway, I think Ken like to to write his books. It’s not that he saw it as a burden. I don’t think so. So, this is not a criteria for being dement getting into dementia or not. I think if you

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like your we don’t we just don’t know we have to get I I try to teach myself get comfortable with uncertainty with not knowing allow not knowing and it’s so so so difficult as I said yesterday I didn’t know what was going on and I was angry you know it’s it’s hard to be left out when when you know there’s so much going on. It it’s hard [sighs] to not get the information. It can be frustrating. Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially for an type four like me, we want then we we create worst case

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scenarios. It could be that aha da da da, you know. So the preoccupation grows by our own stories. I try to observe the stories I’m telling myself and at a certain moment say stop. that’s enough and don’t believe into your stories. But uh there’s still a lot going on. I mean, I see my inclination doing this. No. And I try to to work with it to to not allow them to get me into anxiety more than >> uh >> is uh let’s say appropriate. [snorts] By the way, Mona is good in her

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recommendation. She recommended to me each pray and love to read it. And I had bought the the the audio version and it’s really a good book. The film was nice, but the book is really so much deeper and not just so superficial as the the film was a nice romance, you know, but uh the book is >> what’s the what’s the book? Eat, Pray, Love from Elizabeth Gilbert. Really good. I love >> She’s written other books. I haven’t read anything else that she wrote after that, but she continues to write.

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>> Yeah. I I started with the other one about marriage because she uh got in love with this Brazilian guy and then they lived together in America and he every 90 days went out because of this regulation and came back. And then at a certain point when they came back to America, they held him and sent him deported him because uh he went came too often to America and that uh you know and so she uh she tells the story about how they finally then they got the advice to get married despite they

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didn’t want to be married at all because of previous experiences. And so she talks about the nightmare of uh getting married uh then because then they were sort of suspicious when they had been dis deported and so it took so much more time and uh that they finally could get married and stay. So and she is thinking about the value of marriage and how to you know in and she did also research in other countries what marriage is h what people say for instance in Asia it’s completely different she says uh and it’s it’s

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interesting but not as nice to read as it pray and love this is really getting you. >> Um the last uh status of these affairs is that she left him after nine years >> because she wanted to be with her best female friend who died of cancer. >> So it’s you never know where you are going. It’s just uh yeah uncertainty and you have to live with it. Yeah. >> I hadn’t been so far yet uh in the >> in the story of the couple. >> No, not the story. I Googled it. What

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What was she doing right now? And so obviously she got divorced. I don’t know why she had to get divorced after nine years to be with her best female friend. So yeah, >> I gotta run you guys. I will see you in two weeks. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Do you want to try again Tina if we can hear you? >> If you talk very slowly. >> Okay, I will talk slowly. Uh we were at that point we were just going through an area which has very bad connectivity. Uh but now we’re back near our home. So

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we’ve just arrived home so we’re good. Mhm. >> Um, yeah, I think I’ve really enjoyed this conversation even though I didn’t have my own personal check-in at the beginning there just to say, yeah, there’s something about coincidences and the magic of the universe and, you know, just reflecting on various activities. Both Bruce and I had birthdays this month. Mine was yesterday. His was >> congratulations. >> Thank you. And you know, you just you just sort of keep I find I keep

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reflecting on the mortality and my my friends who are older than me, but I’m like they’re planning two three years in advance for vacations and I’m like, “Wow, good job.” But uh uh for for me it’s the spool is uh the interviews are now pretty much done unless I get uh an immigrant interview but I’ve finished but I have 25 interviews still transcribing some of them. Uh ended up having to Oops. Oh you went away. Sorry you are gone. >> Excited for you Mona to have to be a

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great grandmother. What a thrill. >> No you are back. We missed quite a bit a bit of >> Oh no. Oh no. Well not on my computer. So >> I’ll just go off again. I’ll just listen this time. >> Yeah. I think we can also make a short session today. I feel that’s not expanding. We don’t have a real >> topic to to >> well we have to live with the uncertainty of not having a real topic. >> There you go >> and accept surrender. Surrender to what

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is and >> here’s to life. >> Yeah. Uh I was just wondering Kro you put in this link and you uh is this is a a webinar and you can subscribe to it or >> Yeah. >> You just uh click on it and then claim your free spot now and um >> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Yeah. I can only recommend this for the little which I have um seen and lived. It’s amazing. I’m really looking forward to get deeper into it. >> Yeah. And um me and my colleagues, I

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think the first um emergency package we sent um you and me to like fill it. This is um like when somebody is unconscious or so you can send an emergency package and you do kind of a session but you put everything in a box say okay this is for Lara and then you send it and uh we have a WhatsApp group where all my um or many of my colleagues are in. And so when we ask for a dying grandmother to make it easier to go or this an uh surgery or like a medical uh incident or whatever might be. So um I sent that in the group

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and then within a few hours there are 40 people just doing it without knowing her. Um >> and one of the things that we put in there trusting the outcome like certainty about a good outcome it’s um and source of life and uh things like that. So like to support or to or to say the the doctors know exactly what to do and if they do surgery it’s they they are the hands are still still and they really know how to do it and and yeah so um >> yeah and Marcus could very much appreciate that he was he was very

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touched by when he knew that you were doing that. >> Yeah. Yeah. And my colleague >> in this energy work. So he is especially keen. You you saw it when we talked together. No. Keen to know everything about it. So >> yeah, >> I’m glad. >> Yeah. And my my colleagues did it also for my husband when he was in surgery, when he was in the intensive care. So um or I was in panic and uh just yeah so and I got so much support in that during that time. Um I’ll get all the

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panic out or the the adrenaline out of the shock out of my system after this the accident. And so yeah, [snorts] >> looking forwards. >> Yeah. >> And next time we meet, I I already can let you know because it’s >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the 19th we have a um a live webinar with him. So if anybody is interested you can maybe Heidi if you want to you can put the link if you >> Yeah I have it also to send still to Marcus to register for them. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. >> And we shall meet in >> two weeks. >> Two weeks. Okay. as always end of June >> and uh in how do you say in in English? >> Keep my fingers crossed. >> Fingers crossed. >> And um >> Oops. >> Got you. You are frozen and mute. >> He looks nice. Nice. >> So [laughter] what? >> Well, he’s in a good position. >> Yeah. >> Huh. You were in that’s good position. [laughter] H Did you hear it? I said we talked to a

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newly wet woman. >> Next time >> next time. Yeah. >> Love you all. >> Take care. >> Everybody [laughter] >> I just I just got that we do women matters almost 10 years. >> Really? >> Oh >> yes. 2016 we did the that big appreciative inquiry process out of which >> this >> we need a badge somewhere everyone [laughter] >> was after the conference but but yes >> so it’s almost >> celebration 10 years of women matters

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super >> we can find out which one was the first meeting yeah >> good have a good time Bye-bye. >> Bye.